Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Feb 9, 2014 10:49pm
I dont want him in the pen, because we simply dont have that luxury with the rotation...Glory Days;1578422 wrote:This, a 100mph fastball isn't that mean looking if its straight and flat or you have no off speed pitches that hitters need to worry about. i'd rather see Salazar in the bullpen where he only faces a few batters and doesn't go through the order more than once. last year he was great for 4 or 5 innings, then he started giving up bombs.
You just gotta see what he has. I hope he developed a secondary fastball and worked on the change and slider (or was it a splitter??) more. He had them, he just wasnt confident throwing them (and honestly, who can blame him? Young guy who was counted on to shut down teams in a pennant race immediately after being called up...).
But, in all honesty, he could be out #1 if he has more ability in the change and if he developed a 2-seam fast ball with some movement. Even if its only slight movement but 5 MPH less it would go a long way. His 99 is a lot tougher when there is the possibility of a 93 in there.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Feb 9, 2014 11:59pm
Rumors are that the Tribe has "moved on" in regards to ubaldo... And do not seem to be in on UJ anymore. 
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Feb 10, 2014 12:33am
Awesome, cant wait to finish 3rd in the AL Central....
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Feb 10, 2014 3:35pm
That's going to happen with or without Ufaildo.Glory Days;1578438 wrote:Awesome, cant wait to finish 3rd in the AL Central....
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Feb 10, 2014 7:06pm
Naaahhh...the Tribe did so well last year because of the depth of the starting rotation. Kluber, ZacMac, Masterson, Tomlin all spent significant time on the DL. UJ was the only stud the whole season.... And there is value in that.
Everybody, except the Indians front office thinks the best deal for everyone involved is for the Tribe to bring UJ back for another year .
Everybody, except the Indians front office thinks the best deal for everyone involved is for the Tribe to bring UJ back for another year .
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Feb 10, 2014 7:13pm
Yeah he stayed healthy, but I'm sick of his inconsistency. Basically if he had his fastball working he was good, otherwise he was a bum. Pluto wrote a story about how as his fastabll MPH improved by 2 MPH he became a much better pitcher. Eh I dont know. Never that impressed with him when he was here. We still "won" that trade for him I GUESS, but its more like no one one.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Feb 10, 2014 8:33pm
We won the trade. Ubaldo might've been the best pitcher in the AL the last 4 months of the year.
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Feb 10, 2014 10:14pm
Brantley signed a 4 year extension tonight. Nice.
http://msn.foxsports.com/ohio/story/indians-reach-4-year-deal-with-michael-brantley-021014
http://msn.foxsports.com/ohio/story/indians-reach-4-year-deal-with-michael-brantley-021014
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Feb 11, 2014 12:24am
hell yeah!iclfan2;1578864 wrote:Brantley signed a 4 year extension tonight. Nice.
http://msn.foxsports.com/ohio/story/indians-reach-4-year-deal-with-michael-brantley-021014
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Feb 11, 2014 12:37am
Nice! Hope he continues to raise that BA.
BRF
Posts: 8,748
Feb 11, 2014 10:15am
It's a miracle in this day and age of baseball.Glory Days;1578920 wrote:hell yeah!
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Feb 11, 2014 10:46am
Great deal for both sides....essentially a two year extension beyond his arbitration years, the last being an $11 million Team option for 2018.
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Feb 15, 2014 12:59pm
Indians win arbitration case with Tomlin.... 2-0. Also signed Aaron Harang to minor league deal.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Feb 15, 2014 2:48pm
Fuck Ubaldo...good riddance. Only in baseball can you absolutely suck for for 2 plus years. Yet somehow redeem yourself with 3 good months and command over 15 million a year.
Chances are he will blow again until contract extension talks are in the works. Lazy POS.
Chances are he will blow again until contract extension talks are in the works. Lazy POS.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Feb 15, 2014 3:00pm
He won't get anywhere near that.Yet somehow redeem yourself with 3 good months and command over 15 million a year.
Lazy? why do you say that?
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Feb 17, 2014 7:32pm
Ken Rosenthal reporting that Ubaldo is close on a 4/48 contract with the Orioles.
If true, the Dolan's dropped the ball big time as that is a very reasonable contract given the way the market is right now for pitching and what it costs, especially when you are paying for his age 30-33 seasons which are pretty close to a pitcher's prime.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/17/report-orioles-working-to-finalize-deal-with-ubaldo-jimenez/
If true, the Dolan's dropped the ball big time as that is a very reasonable contract given the way the market is right now for pitching and what it costs, especially when you are paying for his age 30-33 seasons which are pretty close to a pitcher's prime.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/17/report-orioles-working-to-finalize-deal-with-ubaldo-jimenez/
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Feb 17, 2014 7:47pm
Best player on the roster IMHO. He's consistent, versatile and dependable. Well worth the money.iclfan2;1578864 wrote:Brantley signed a 4 year extension tonight. Nice.
http://msn.foxsports.com/ohio/story/indians-reach-4-year-deal-with-michael-brantley-021014
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Feb 17, 2014 8:39pm
I have to admit that losing out on Ubaldo really irritates me, since his price has dropped into a very reasonable range. It would have been one thing if someone would have come out and dropped a bundle to get him....I wouldn't have wanted them to overspend. But at some point, you have to ask yourself if you are willing to take a reasonable chance to get to post season. You lost your #2 and #5 out of your rotation, and are expecting(dreaming?) that unproven youngsters will fill the roles. Trevor Bauer is still a prospect....Tomlin is coming off arm surgery, and Carrasco has had plenty of opportunity to show he can get major league hitters out consistently, and failed each time. Add to that, the fact that they haven't got Masterson to sign on a dotted line, and their leverage wanes with each passing week.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Feb 17, 2014 8:41pm
Multiple sources reporting UJ to the orioles....4yrs/$50 million.
BRF
Posts: 8,748
Feb 17, 2014 8:46pm
I like that word...."wanes"....very appropriate.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Feb 17, 2014 9:06pm
Right there with you.I have to admit that losing out on Ubaldo really irritates me, since his price has dropped into a very reasonable range.
If someone had stepped up in the off-season and given him the 5/85 type deal he was looking for I would have had zero problem seeing him walk.
4/$50 though for a #2 caliber starter in a market where $10 million doesn't buy you much is the kind of deal the Tribe should have been all over.
The Dolan's need to sell the team if the finance's are such that $12.5 million for a solid starter in his prime is too rich for their blood.
They might as well start shopping Masterson now.
This has the feeling of 2008 all over where coming off a turn around season they stand pat rather than making a push to try and capitalize on last season's momentum.
TBone14
Posts: 6,383
Feb 17, 2014 9:53pm
Bad but unsurprising news on UJ.
In other news...Jake Westbrook has retired. Always liked him.
In other news...Jake Westbrook has retired. Always liked him.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Feb 17, 2014 10:06pm
Thinking the very same thing. This team is moving sideways at best. A Raburn/Murphy platoon in right balanced against the loss of Stubbs' speed is a minimal upgrade. The bullpen additions might offset the losses. The starting rotation is hoping one of three unproven guys steps forward to make up for the two steps backward it took in losing UJ and Kazmir. Hey, but we added depth by picking up Harang while rummaging thru the piles at Goodwill.This has the feeling of 2008 all over where coming off a turn around season they stand pat rather than making a push to try and capitalize on last season's momentum
We still do not have a legitimate hitter to put in the 4 hole.
Terry Francona is a great manager, but it is going to be a pretty neat trick to win 90 games this year.
Not a lot of moves to inspire confidence for now or the future. Yeah, it's great we locked up Brantley....but we had control for 3 more years anyway.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Feb 17, 2014 10:38pm
Hard to believe the Indians would let Jimenez go for 12mil/yr. That's a steal for what he can give ya. The Reds are about to give Bailey 16.5M/yr to be a #2 or #3 starter. Lincecum getting about 17.5M/yr and he's had about a 5.00 ERA over the last two years. Burnett got 16M/yr with similar numbers to Jimenez. Seems like the Tribe and Reds have been equally disappointing this offseason.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Feb 17, 2014 10:49pm
I'm not going to be upset at UJ signing for 4/48 until he actually starts performing like he did last year, for Baltimore. That's no sure thing.