bases_loaded
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Sep 17, 2013 1:40pm
Put in Hoyer
se-alum
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Sep 17, 2013 3:29pm
I laughed when people thought Weeden would suddenly get it with the new regime, and I was right. QB's that are going to be good show glimpses, which Weeden never has.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Sep 17, 2013 3:51pm
Don't hurt your shoulder patting yourself on the back for that prediction. Really went out on a limb there SE. :rolleyes:se-alum;1502383 wrote:I laughed when people thought Weeden would suddenly get it with the new regime, and I was right. QB's that are going to be good show glimpses, which Weeden never has.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Sep 17, 2013 4:05pm
I know right. I definitely didn't go out on a limb, which makes me wonder how people that seem to be pretty knowledgeable about football thought he would be anyting different than what he was last year. The logic that him having to throw the ball further down the field in this offense would somehow make him more accurate is a ludicrous thought process.Commander of Awesome;1502402 wrote:Don't hurt your shoulder patting yourself on the back for that prediction. Really went out on a limb there SE. :rolleyes:
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Sep 17, 2013 4:19pm
Way to go SE, you're the man.
I believe the thought process was that pattie boys system was a fucking joke and had all the WRs running 2 yd slants, never threatening to go deep so def could stack the box and play downhill the whole game. Total miscast of Weeden in that system as, unlike McCoy, he has big arm to drive the ball down field, Gordon/Benjamin threatening to go deep thus opening up the middle of the field for Trich, Cameron, Little and Bess. Wasn't so much of a weeden accuracy issue. The system worked for Chud in 07 (See DA whose accuracy isn't as good as weeden's) Rivers in SD (under norv and Chud actually) and Cam Newton in Carolina. But you already knew that of course.
I believe the thought process was that pattie boys system was a fucking joke and had all the WRs running 2 yd slants, never threatening to go deep so def could stack the box and play downhill the whole game. Total miscast of Weeden in that system as, unlike McCoy, he has big arm to drive the ball down field, Gordon/Benjamin threatening to go deep thus opening up the middle of the field for Trich, Cameron, Little and Bess. Wasn't so much of a weeden accuracy issue. The system worked for Chud in 07 (See DA whose accuracy isn't as good as weeden's) Rivers in SD (under norv and Chud actually) and Cam Newton in Carolina. But you already knew that of course.
like_that
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Sep 17, 2013 4:24pm
Isn't SE a bengals fan?
Pick6
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Sep 17, 2013 4:25pm
Yea these WRs suck as well. Its a good thing they let the Falcons take Julio Jones and got Phil '15 yarder' Taylor and Weeden.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Sep 17, 2013 4:27pm
PT is a good player. I'd still take that trade any day of the week. I sure as hell wouldn't have wasted those two picks on weeden and t rich though.Pick6;1502434 wrote:Yea these WRs suck as well. Its a good thing they let the Falcons take Julio Jones and got Phil '15 yarder' Taylor and Weeden.
Commander of Awesome
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Sep 17, 2013 4:28pm
Weeden was a joke, but I'd rather have JJ Watt, Aldon Smith, and Colin Kapernick over Julio Jones. All players the Browns passed on. I'd be more pissed about that than not taking Julio Jones. I have no issues with Phil Taylor.Pick6;1502434 wrote:Yea these WRs suck as well. Its a good thing they let the Falcons take Julio Jones and got Phil '15 yarder' Taylor and Weeden.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Sep 17, 2013 4:29pm
He is a cowboys fan, don't forget.Commander of Awesome;1502436 wrote:Weeden was a joke, but I'd rather have JJ Watt, Aldon Smith, and Colin Kapernick over Julio Jones. All players the Browns passed on. I'd be more pissed about that than not taking Julio Jones. I have no issues with Phil Taylor.
Laley23
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Sep 17, 2013 4:30pm
That was a great trade. What they did with it the following year is beyond comprehension, really.
Commander of Awesome
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Sep 17, 2013 4:33pm
I'm probably a sucker, but I'm still a believer in Trich. I don't like trading up for him, and its really hard to argue in favor of him right now but I still think he can play at a pro bowl level.When he's not on the field on 3rd downs, running behind the worst Oline in the NFL right now, and a joke of a QB in front of him (plus Maeric and Oby as his FB LOL) I can make a lot of excuses for him. Granted at some point the talent has to show, but I'm not ready to write him off yet.
Commander of Awesome
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Sep 17, 2013 4:35pm
Yeah, first off you don't take RBs in the top 5. Period. And you also don't draft 28/29 yr old QBs who have issues facing pass rush in college in the 1st. Just a waste all around.Laley23;1502438 wrote:That was a great trade. What they did with it the following year is beyond comprehension, really.
Commander of Awesome
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Sep 17, 2013 4:41pm
On to the game, I hope to not see a repeat of this:
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Skrine will probably replace Brandon Mcdonald though.
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Skrine will probably replace Brandon Mcdonald though.
Iliketurtles
Posts: 8,191
Sep 17, 2013 5:05pm
Commander of Awesome;1502436 wrote:Weeden was a joke, but I'd rather have JJ Watt, Aldon Smith, and Colin Kapernick over Julio Jones. All players the Browns passed on. I'd be more pissed about that than not taking Julio Jones. I have no issues with Phil Taylor.
I agree with these especially about passing on Watt and Smith I'm not a big Kap fan though and especially wasn't 2 years ago. PT was a nice pick though. Taking Weeden was obviously a terrible pick. As for Richardson I don't think it was terrible definitely but wouldn't have traded up to make sure I got him.Laley23;1502438 wrote:That was a great trade. What they did with it the following year is beyond comprehension, really.
As for this week's game Ponder is terrible I really like the Browns defense to get a couple INTs. I think they keep AP around 80 rushing yards. Hopefully Gordon being back really helps the offense no matter who the QB is. I like the Browns to win 20-16
se-alum
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Sep 17, 2013 5:16pm
Not at all.like_that;1502433 wrote:Isn't SE a bengals fan?
Commander of Awesome
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Sep 17, 2013 5:58pm
Cleveland Browns: In 2012 as a rookie Mitchell Schwartz played every single offensive snap at right tackle and allowed just 33 pressures on the entire year. In just two games, Schwartz is already over half way to that number with 18 pressures allowed. His five sacks allowed this year has already matched last year.
Get your FUCKING shit together Schwartz.
Get your FUCKING shit together Schwartz.
Heretic
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Sep 17, 2013 6:08pm
I think you're in the same boat we are right now where it's just tough to gauge how good/bad a lot of skill position players are just because of how bad the line is. With horrible line play, the only backs I'd think would have success would be the super-quick ones who can get outside in a hurry and for QBs, probably guys with great peripheral vision and a quick release. Standard feature backs and power-arm QBs are pretty much gonna struggle.Commander of Awesome;1502442 wrote:I'm probably a sucker, but I'm still a believer in Trich. I don't like trading up for him, and its really hard to argue in favor of him right now but I still think he can play at a pro bowl level.When he's not on the field on 3rd downs, running behind the worst Oline in the NFL right now, and a joke of a QB in front of him (plus Maeric and Oby as his FB LOL) I can make a lot of excuses for him. Granted at some point the talent has to show, but I'm not ready to write him off yet.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Sep 17, 2013 6:19pm
Yay now everyone's on my side about weeden and ill stop being called a troll when I say he sucks!
wes_mantooth
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Sep 17, 2013 6:24pm
[video=youtube;fTem0Q7Nk0Q][/video]SportsAndLady;1502488 wrote:Yay now everyone's on my side about weeden and ill stop being called a troll when I say he sucks!
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Sep 18, 2013 7:46am
Nothing personal but I'll call you a "sucker." I don't think he's ever going to be anything special because of a) the O-Line, b) the systems he in (doesn't seem to get used enough/correctly) c) durability and d) for as big and "bruising" he is, he runs soft. Too much dancing instead of one cut & go. Look at Marshawn Lynch...one cut and punishment. THAT is what T-Rich should be. I just don't ever see it.Commander of Awesome;1502442 wrote:I'm probably a sucker, but I'm still a believer in Trich. I don't like trading up for him, and its really hard to argue in favor of him right now but I still think he can play at a pro bowl level.When he's not on the field on 3rd downs, running behind the worst Oline in the NFL right now, and a joke of a QB in front of him (plus Maeric and Oby as his FB LOL) I can make a lot of excuses for him. Granted at some point the talent has to show, but I'm not ready to write him off yet.
gorocks99
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Sep 18, 2013 9:30am
Brian Hoyer gets the start Sunday
Rotinaj
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Sep 18, 2013 10:13am
Super Bowl run starts Sunday.gorocks99;1502822 wrote:Brian Hoyer gets the start Sunday
Pick6
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Sep 18, 2013 10:39am
and the twitter world if freaking out smh
CLEconomically Speaking
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Sep 18, 2013 10:53am
Hey guys.. it's been awhile, how y'all doin? I'd like to take this time to say Gregg Little can't catch.