Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Nov 8, 2013 11:37am
If you truly believe that. Go on believing that.WebFire;1532085 wrote:But Stanford beat a higher ranked opponent the same night. So those cancel out.
But Baylor fixed their flaw (beating a ranked opponent). Stanford can't fix their flaw (losing to Utah). That's why Baylor will jump Stanford... they are undefeated and now have a win over a ranked opponent. When Baylor loses (they will), Stanford will be back on top, so don't worry.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Nov 8, 2013 11:38am
#4 sits idleFly4Fun;1532088 wrote:If you truly believe that. Go on believing that.
But Baylor fixed their flaw (beating a ranked opponent). Stanford can't fix their flaw (losing to Utah). That's why Baylor will jump Stanford... they are undefeated and now have a win over a ranked opponent. When Baylor loses (they will), Stanford will be back on top, so don't worry.
#5 beats #3
#6 beats #10
#6 should jump #5? #5 shouldn't jump #4? Sounds logical.
Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Nov 8, 2013 11:52am
Once again.WebFire;1532090 wrote:#4 sits idle
#5 beats #3
#6 beats #10
#6 should jump #5? #5 shouldn't jump #4? Sounds logical.
Baylor's flaw: No wins over ranked opponents (at time of game or anytime there after).
Stanford's flaw: Lost to a 4-4 Utah team.
With both teams having a big flaw, Stanford had the more impressive wins because of their schedule so they were ahead.
Now, 1 team has a big flaw, the other doesn't. So Stanford's wins don't mean as much because the starting point isn't the same.
Just watch what will happen on Sunday. I'm not sure why you're arguing this point so vehemently.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 8, 2013 11:56am
Undefeated should always be ahead of a 1-loss team in a BCS conference. Don't be stupid.WebFire;1532090 wrote:#4 sits idle
#5 beats #3
#6 beats #10
#6 should jump #5? #5 shouldn't jump #4? Sounds logical.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Nov 8, 2013 12:00pm
Yet an undefeated Baylor was behind a 1 loss (to Utah nonetheless) Stanford lol.sleeper;1532107 wrote:Undefeated should always be ahead of a 1-loss team in a BCS conference. Don't be stupid.
We're all ranking experts.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 8, 2013 12:40pm
No that's how it should be. The fact that 2-2 loss SEC teams are ahead of a 1-loss Miami team(to the #2 team in the country) is a joke.Pick6;1532112 wrote:Yet an undefeated Baylor was behind a 1 loss (to Utah nonetheless) Stanford lol.
We're all ranking experts.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Nov 8, 2013 12:51pm
sleeper;1532107 wrote:Undefeated should always be ahead of a 1-loss team in a BCS conference. Don't be stupid.
I don't agree with *always*. Most of the time yes, but not always.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Nov 8, 2013 12:53pm
You can't say "1 flaw vs. 1 flaw". Too many variables. To me, the 93rd best schedule is a big flaw as well. So if you even out the flaws, if you will, Stanford is way ahead of Baylor.Fly4Fun;1532105 wrote:Once again.
Baylor's flaw: No wins over ranked opponents (at time of game or anytime there after).
Stanford's flaw: Lost to a 4-4 Utah team.
With both teams having a big flaw, Stanford had the more impressive wins because of their schedule so they were ahead.
Now, 1 team has a big flaw, the other doesn't. So Stanford's wins don't mean as much because the starting point isn't the same.
Just watch what will happen on Sunday. I'm not sure why you're arguing this point so vehemently.
pmoney25
Posts: 1,787
Nov 8, 2013 1:00pm
That still pales in comparison to what Manziel has accomplished. Not to mention playing well in meaningful games, making big plays when the "system" breaks down and not playing against conference usa.LJ;1532072 wrote:Keenum is the NCAA's all-time leader in total passing yards, touchdowns, and completions.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Nov 8, 2013 1:11pm
As I said, the level of competition is moot, because Houston was a normal C-USA team playing other C-USA teams. It's not like they were a BCS level school with BCS level facilities, money and athletes, playing against C-USA.pmoney25;1532160 wrote:That still pales in comparison to what Manziel has accomplished. Not to mention playing well in meaningful games, making big plays when the "system" breaks down and not playing against conference usa.
And you're kidding that it pales right? Keenum has 2 of the top 5 single season passing yards records, 3 of the top 15.
Keenum had 3 seasons of more total offense (5,241 5,829 5,666) and more total TD (51, 48, 51) than Manziel had as a Heisman winner (5,116 and 47 TD).
Manziel is a better runner, and that is what makes him exciting, but his passing stats are merely a product of the system.
pmoney25
Posts: 1,787
Nov 8, 2013 1:54pm
Wouldn't anyone's passing stats be product of the system? Anyone that has watched football for more than ten minutes knows that Manziel is more than a system guy. He wins games, makes plays and is a leader on his team. I cannot take you seriously anymore until you come to your senses. I'm not saying he is GOAT, just that he is not a system guy who would be average anywhere else.
Your comment about competition makes no sense. According to your logic, Lebron dominating the NBA is no different than me dominating a game of pickup basketball. That my domination is on par because it's all relative to your resources and people you are playing against.
Your comment about competition makes no sense. According to your logic, Lebron dominating the NBA is no different than me dominating a game of pickup basketball. That my domination is on par because it's all relative to your resources and people you are playing against.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Nov 8, 2013 2:14pm
I never said he would be just average anywhere else. i said that his gaudy passing numbers are nothing but a product of the system he plays in. He's like a 2,500-2,800 yard passer anywhere else.pmoney25;1532194 wrote:Wouldn't anyone's passing stats be product of the system? Anyone that has watched football for more than ten minutes knows that Manziel is more than a system guy. He wins games, makes plays and is a leader on his team. I cannot take you seriously anymore until you come to your senses. I'm not saying he is GOAT, just that he is not a system guy who would be average anywhere else.
Except in Football it's much more of a team game than Basketball when it comes to 1 person's performance. The QB has to rely on their offensive line and their skill players in order to be successful. The point is not like your ridiculous example saying that a pickup player is on par with LeBron because.... (which isn't even close to my point, since both are FBS schools with 85 scholarships, but whatever) it's that Sumlin's system can make any QB a record breaking passer.Your comment about competition makes no sense. According to your logic, Lebron dominating the NBA is no different than me dominating a game of pickup basketball. That my domination is on par because it's all relative to your resources and people you are playing against.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 8, 2013 2:57pm
You really think Manziel would ever play a game at Ohio State over Braxton or Guiton? No.pmoney25;1532194 wrote:Wouldn't anyone's passing stats be product of the system? Anyone that has watched football for more than ten minutes knows that Manziel is more than a system guy. He wins games, makes plays and is a leader on his team. I cannot take you seriously anymore until you come to your senses. I'm not saying he is GOAT, just that he is not a system guy who would be average anywhere else.
Your comment about competition makes no sense. According to your logic, Lebron dominating the NBA is no different than me dominating a game of pickup basketball. That my domination is on par because it's all relative to your resources and people you are playing against.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 8, 2013 2:59pm
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pmoney25
Posts: 1,787
Nov 8, 2013 3:04pm
I accept your concession and surrender.sleeper;1532228 wrote:You really think Manziel would ever play a game at Ohio State over Braxton or Guiton? No.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Nov 8, 2013 3:42pm
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Nov 8, 2013 5:02pm
Firing their coach midseason will do nothing for Eastern.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Nov 8, 2013 6:14pm
I don't know why teams do this, unless it's for a legal or ethics reason...it helps NO ONE!!!WebFire;1532300 wrote:Firing their coach midseason will do nothing for Eastern.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Nov 8, 2013 7:15pm
This, but more specifically why at Eastern? Their problem isn't the coach. Firing him now does nothing at all.vball10set;1532329 wrote:I don't know why teams do this, unless it's for a legal or ethics reason...it helps NO ONE!!!
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Nov 8, 2013 10:02pm
All 2,000 fans that attend each home game can breathe a sigh of relief.
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Nov 8, 2013 11:35pm
The only thing that would help them is dropping to Division 2 (can't even be 1-AA because their basketball team can't compete at D1 levels either, or draw crowds bigger than about 500)WebFire;1532300 wrote:Firing their coach midseason will do nothing for Eastern.
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
Nov 9, 2013 7:01am
Don't forget about Texas as well. Sitting at 6-2 now and undefeated in the B12, but they have Oklahoma State and Texas Tech remaining before playing Baylor in Waco.pmoney25;1531962 wrote:The question is will the computers put Baylor ahead of OSU if they win out? Wisconsin and Texas Tech are close in the rankings as are Michigan State and Oklahoma State. The win against Oklahoma could be enough. That's 3 decent wins vs 2 for Ohio State.
Baylor could have more quality wins from November 7-December 7 than OSU would have for the entire season.
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
Nov 9, 2013 7:08am
Brad Edwards says that with Oregon losing, they will slide back and everyone already in the top 5 will move up. That means Stanford stays ahead of Baylor. Go tell him he is wrong.Fly4Fun;1532105 wrote:Once again.
Baylor's flaw: No wins over ranked opponents (at time of game or anytime there after).
Stanford's flaw: Lost to a 4-4 Utah team.
With both teams having a big flaw, Stanford had the more impressive wins because of their schedule so they were ahead.
Now, 1 team has a big flaw, the other doesn't. So Stanford's wins don't mean as much because the starting point isn't the same.
Just watch what will happen on Sunday. I'm not sure why you're arguing this point so vehemently.
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
Nov 9, 2013 7:11am
Found this interesting...
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
Nov 9, 2013 7:21am
Stanford's OOC will get the boost of ND's likely 10-2 record when they play on the 30th.