Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Aug 1, 2013 11:43am
lol pwned. Jordo talking out of his ass again, not sure why I didn't research that at the time. I should know by now to never believe keyboard diarrhea he spews.Heretic;1481280 wrote: As a question, while looking on Wiki for the time this happened with Magic, I read this: Although it is commonly believed that Magic Johnson orchestrated Westhead's ouster, a 1987 book called "Winnin' Times" (about the Los Angeles Lakers' franchise history) indicated that Laker owner Jerry Buss wanted to fire Westhead several days prior to the actual occurrence.
Any truth to that or is it more of an owner "falling on the grenade" to prevent a star player from getting any sort of a prima donna reputation?
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Aug 1, 2013 12:44pm
Remember when Kobe threatened to leave LA and then they signed Gasol?
Asked if he had any preference for a trade destination, he said "At this point I'll go play on Pluto."
Asked if he had any preference for a trade destination, he said "At this point I'll go play on Pluto."
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Aug 1, 2013 12:46pm
Or acted like a total bitch when his team sucked?
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Aug 1, 2013 12:50pm
Great question. I really wish I knew the answer, or at least knew someone who was paying enough attention back then to know.Heretic;1481280 wrote:
Any truth to that or is it more of an owner "falling on the grenade" to prevent a star player from getting any sort of a prima donna reputation?
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Aug 1, 2013 2:03pm
Further proof that LBJ/Durant are on another level. lol at Melo, Ellis, Gay.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Aug 1, 2013 2:11pm
Thanks for posting that COA, pretty interesting even if not surprising.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Aug 1, 2013 2:15pm
Little surprised by Westbrook and Griffin's spots. Also Kyrie being so "low" was a bit of an eyebrow raise. You see Harden's mark? Top 26 for sure :thumbup:
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Aug 1, 2013 2:23pm
Commander of Awesome;1481404 wrote:
Further proof that LBJ/Durant are on another level. lol at Melo, Ellis, Gay.
Could you give a brief explanation...a few players on there are throwing me off on what I think it means. (Wade and Curry throwing me off on how I'm looking at it)
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Aug 1, 2013 2:26pm
Just shot attempts (including FTs) and TO's and it's based on shot attempts and TO's while you are on the floor, which is how it adjusts for pace.Ironman92;1481422 wrote:Could you give a brief explanation...a few players on there are throwing me off on what I think it means. (Wade and Curry throwing me off on how I'm looking at it)
Usg%
Usage Percentage (available since the 1977-78 season in the NBA); the formula is 100 * ((FGA + 0.44 * FTA + TOV) * (Tm MP / 5)) / (MP * (Tm FGA + 0.44 * Tm FTA + Tm TOV)). Usage percentage is an estimate of the percentage of team plays used by a player while he was on the floor.
Top right corner means you not only have the ball alot, but you score efficiently with it when you shoot.
The most surprising person on that chart for me is that Stephen Curry's USG% is so low. it was about the same in the playoffs too.
Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Aug 1, 2013 2:31pm
It seems pretty simple (or so I think).Ironman92;1481422 wrote:Could you give a brief explanation...a few players on there are throwing me off on what I think it means. (Wade and Curry throwing me off on how I'm looking at it)
The y-axis is True Shooting %, which is just efficiency when scoring; per ESPN,
The x-axis is Usage %, or how many uses a player has of the team's possessions; per ESPN,
- TS%: True Shooting Percentage - what a player's shooting percentage would be if we accounted for free throws and 3-pointers. True Shooting Percentage = Total points / [(FGA + (0.44 x FTA)]
Basically it's just showing which players are justified as having a higher usage rate as their TS% is still high (LeBron and Durant being so much better than anyone else, while Melo is a chucker).Usage Rate - the number of possessions a player uses per 40 minutes. Usage Rate = {[FGA + (FT Att. x 0.44) + (Ast x 0.33) + TO] x 40 x League Pace} divided by (Minutes x Team Pace)
Edit: CoA posted while I was writing my post (sorry for the double up).
And as far as Curry goes, he should get more shots as long as his efficiency doesn't suffer. But then again, sharing the ball with the entire team does keep everyone more engaged.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Aug 1, 2013 2:31pm
Commander of Awesome;1481424 wrote:Just shot attempts (including FTs) and TO's and it's based on shot attempts and TO's while you are on the floor, which is how it adjusts for pace.
Usg%
Usage Percentage (available since the 1977-78 season in the NBA); the formula is 100 * ((FGA + 0.44 * FTA + TOV) * (Tm MP / 5)) / (MP * (Tm FGA + 0.44 * Tm FTA + Tm TOV)). Usage percentage is an estimate of the percentage of team plays used by a player while he was on the floor.
Top right corner means you not only have the ball alot, but you score efficiently with it when you shoot.
The most surprising person on that chart for me is that Stephen Curry's USG% is so low. it was about the same in the playoffs too.
Thanks.....the turnovers and the "left to right" meaning were confusing me.
Pretty telling I'd say (now that I know what the hell it means lol)
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Aug 1, 2013 2:32pm
Fly4Fun;1481427 wrote:It seems pretty simple (or so I think).
The y-axis is True Shooting %, which is just efficiency when scoring; per ESPN, The x-axis is Usage %, or how many uses a player has of the team's possessions; per ESPN,
Basically it's just showing which players are justified as having a higher usage rate as their TS% is still high (LeBron and Durant being so much better than anyone else, while Melo is a chucker).
Edit: CoA posted while I was writing my post (sorry for the double up).
Thanks anyways.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Aug 1, 2013 3:32pm
Poor Rudy Gay. Guy's so low his name doesn't even fit on the chart completely.Commander of Awesome;1481404 wrote:
Further proof that LBJ/Durant are on another level. lol at Melo, Ellis, Gay.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Aug 1, 2013 3:35pm
Rudy Gay salary
Ironman92
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Aug 1, 2013 3:36pm
Ironman92;1481477 wrote:Rudy Gay salary
I'll leave this on here for the lulz
I typed that thinking I was doing a google search.
Enjoy. Lol dumbass
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Aug 1, 2013 3:40pm
There we go....Rudy Gay has made over $55 million in the NBA
Due $17.9 mill next year and $19 mill in 2014/2015
Goodness
Due $17.9 mill next year and $19 mill in 2014/2015
Goodness
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Aug 1, 2013 4:07pm
Haha I used TS at beginning of last season to argue why I thought he was...well you know.Commander of Awesome;1481419 wrote: You see Harden's mark? Top 26 for sure :thumbup:
I thought it was surprising that Kobe was right on the slope. I would have expected him to be around Melo (in terms of TS).
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Aug 1, 2013 4:10pm
COA, where'd you find that?
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Aug 1, 2013 4:20pm
Saw it on another forum. Not 100% sure of the source, but a quick google search shows the graph is making the rounds.
jordo212000
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Aug 1, 2013 5:42pm
Heretic;1481280 wrote:I'm more and more understanding what you were saying about how this is sort of a matter of opinion thing where you can see it from both angles and not disagree. Because I read this and agree with what you were saying, but...
Magic was a long-time Laker who was, as CoA said, essentially the face of the franchise for a long time. This all happened really early in his career, though, but as a young draftee who'd already been really good for them, you could easily state he was a guy they were planning to build around for the future.
Meanwhile, Paul was a free agent signing to a historically horrible franchise that's having a shocking burst of competence in recent times, to where it feels more like a "do what I want...or you guys can go back to being a perennial lottery team" ultimatum.
As a question, while looking on Wiki for the time this happened with Magic, I read this: Although it is commonly believed that Magic Johnson orchestrated Westhead's ouster, a 1987 book called "Winnin' Times" (about the Los Angeles Lakers' franchise history) indicated that Laker owner Jerry Buss wanted to fire Westhead several days prior to the actual occurrence.
Any truth to that or is it more of an owner "falling on the grenade" to prevent a star player from getting any sort of a prima donna reputation?
"In the locker room after that meeting, Johnson told the press that he couldn't play under Westhead's system anymore and that he wanted to be traded. After the Lakers arrived back in Los Angeles the next morning, Buss called a press conference, and Westhead was gone, with the remaining three years of his four-year, $1.1 million contract guaranteed."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1125021/
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Aug 2, 2013 8:49pm
Oden signs a 2 year, minimum deal with Miami. No real surprise IMO.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Aug 2, 2013 9:31pm
Best of luck to Oden, really pullin for him.
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MontyBrunswick
Aug 2, 2013 9:57pm
Can't hate the guy for that decision. That was literally the BEST place for him to go.
osu45804
Posts: 6,188
Aug 7, 2013 8:03pm
Jared Sullinger has been cleared for practice & says that he is pain free...
http://www.celticslife.com/2013/08/jared-sullinger-says-hes-pain-free.html
http://www.celticslife.com/2013/08/jared-sullinger-says-hes-pain-free.html
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ActionJackson
Posts: 136
Aug 9, 2013 9:58am
LeBron James had jury duty. I heard there were 11 other jurors, but LeBron ended up deciding the verdict all by himself. - Jimmy Fallon