ohiobucks1
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Jul 12, 2013 12:02pm
Oh shit I thought we were talking about Marc Gasol lolCommander of Awesome;1471615 wrote:Lakers last year were a mess and he was injured. He's been pretty incredible and top 3 most talented bigs in the league for a decade. I'll give him a pass last season for some bad outings.
In reference to mark at least, I know he's good. And hes a top center, I just don't like how he plays. Every time I watch I just get frustrated with him. Depending on my team I def think I would prefer at least 5 other big men.
Commander of Awesome
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Jul 12, 2013 12:04pm
That would also be idiotic. Marc Gasol is at min a top 15 player in this league.ohiobucks1;1471616 wrote:Oh shit I thought we were talking about Marc Gasol lol
In reference to mark at least, I know he's good. And hes a top center, I just don't like how he plays. Every time I watch I just get frustrated with him. Depending on my team I def think I would prefer at least 5 other centers.
Ironman92
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Jul 12, 2013 12:05pm
ohiobucks1;1471616 wrote:Oh shit I thought we were talking about Marc Gasol lol
In reference to mark at least, I know he's good. And hes a top center, I just don't like how he plays. Every time I watch I just get frustrated with him. Depending on my team I def think I would prefer at least 5 other centers.
I thought that as well....but do not think Marc is overrated at all.
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gport_tennis
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Jul 12, 2013 12:05pm
ohiobucks1;1471611 wrote:good stats... I will say I think Gasol is overrated. Every time I've watched him play (albeit only like 10 times last season) I came away very very unimpressed. A lot of dumb plays. A lot of unnecessary shots when other guys were open, etc etc.
Must not have watched the Olympics. He almost handedly won the game vs. USA, he is a beast. The best offensive center in the league
Laley23
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Jul 12, 2013 12:06pm
We are talking about Marc Gasol.
ohiobucks1
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Jul 12, 2013 12:06pm
Correct, I did not. And I am not saying that any of you are wrong. I'm sure many of you know much more about basketball than I do, I just don't like his game from what I've seen. He took bad shots a lot from what I saw, albeit many of those were against the spurs so who knows hahagport_tennis;1471619 wrote:Must not have watched the Olympics. He almost handedly won the game vs. USA, he is a beast. The best offensive center in the league
Commander of Awesome
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Jul 12, 2013 12:07pm
My b on Marc Gasol. Well his statement is even worse then IMO and showcases lack of NBA knowledge. Dude posted a 20 PER and a 12.5 Value of Wins Added.Laley23;1471620 wrote:We are talking about Marc Gasol.
Laley23
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Jul 12, 2013 12:08pm
And won DPOY. While that was controversial, he was in the discussion at the very least. Easily a top player.
lhslep134
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Jul 12, 2013 12:09pm
No dude, he said Marc​ Gasol was average. How ridiculous is that?!Commander of Awesome;1471592 wrote:Since when is 15 and 8 for an injured big that doesn't play huge min not a good season? didn't Gasol come off the bench as well? Gasol is anything but average. lolfail
Commander of Awesome
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Jul 12, 2013 12:11pm
Saying either Gasol is average is laughable. Marc Gasol though, LOL. Not sure there is a better all around center in the league. I'd take him over Dwight.lhslep134;1471625 wrote:No dude, he said Marc​ Gasol was average.
ohiobucks1
Posts: 4,915
Jul 12, 2013 12:11pm
Let it note I have no problem with Marc Gasols D. I just don't like how he plays on the offensive end. I think he's a good player though. Saying he's average is kinda crazy. I do think based on how I hear you guys talk about him that he's overrated though. I would not take him over Dwight (at least in basketball skills).
Ironman92
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Jul 12, 2013 12:11pm
lhslep134;1471625 wrote:No dude, he said Marc​ Gasol was average. How ridiculous is that?!
He got it.
Commander of Awesome
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Jul 12, 2013 12:14pm
He's a stud on both ends of the court. Dwight's defense really feel off last year, his FT% is garbage and he's 6'9" without shoes. Gasol is a true 7' and shoots a better True Shooting Percentage, has a higher AST ratio etc...ohiobucks1;1471631 wrote:Let it note I have no problem with Marc Gasols D. I just don't like how he plays on the offensive end. I think he's a good player though. Saying he's average is kinda crazy. I do think based on how I hear you guys talk about him that he's overrated though. I would not take him over Dwight (at least in basketball skills).
If Dwight can get back to how he was in the 09 season where he was a top 5 player then we can rediscuss. At this point though, back surgery etc... I'm picking Marc Gasol.
lhslep134
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Jul 12, 2013 12:18pm
YupCommander of Awesome;1471622 wrote: Well his statement is even worse then IMO and showcases lack of NBA knowledge.
lhslep134
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Jul 12, 2013 12:19pm
Yeah I didn't see this page so I deleted the post. Guess I wasn't quick enough.Ironman92;1471632 wrote:He got it.
ohiobucks1
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Jul 12, 2013 12:19pm
Fair enough. It's clear from what everyone says that I must have seen Marc during some of his poorer performances (including vs the spurs who have defense sets that probably focused on limiting him) or I am a bad talent evaluator... either one lolCommander of Awesome;1471636 wrote:He's a stud on both ends of the court. Dwight's defense really feel off last year, his FT% is garbage and he's 6'9" without shoes. Gasol is a true 7' and shoots a better True Shooting Percentage, has a higher AST ratio etc...
If Dwight can get back to how he was in the 09 season where he was a top 5 player then we can rediscuss. At this point though, back surgery etc... I'm picking Marc Gasol.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jul 12, 2013 12:26pm
That, and the Grizzlies weren't really on TV that much (I think only 7 or 8 national TV games) I watched them a lot on League Pass because of Conley. Towards the beginning of the season I was like shocked how good Gasol was. I think I watched ~20 of their games and he was impressive even in the ones he didn't put up numbers with all of the things that don't show up on the scoreboard (such as a great move to set up a pass that sets up the basket).ohiobucks1;1471641 wrote:It's clear from what everyone says that I must have seen Marc during some of his poorer performances
Commander of Awesome
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Jul 12, 2013 12:30pm
Very similar to what Cavs fans have been saying about Anderson Varejao for a long time, except Gasol stays healthy and has an offensive game. And shoots the best FT% among Centers in the league.lhslep134;1471644 wrote:That, and the Grizzlies weren't really on TV that much. I watched them a lot on League Pass because of Conley. Towards the beginning of the season I was like shocked how good Gasol was. I think I watched ~20 of their games and he was impressive even in the ones he didn't put up numbers with all of the things that don't show up on the scoreboard (such as a great move to set up a pass that sets up the basket).
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sportswizuhrd
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Jul 12, 2013 12:34pm
Commander of Awesome;1471622 wrote:My b on Marc Gasol. Well his statement is even worse then IMO and showcases lack of NBA knowledge. Dude posted a 20 PER and a 12.5 Value of Wins Added.
His PER had him at 8th in the league for Center's who averaged 30 mins a game and played in 60 plus games. I think you meant Estimated Wins Added and not Value of a Wins added. Anyways, among Centers following the same criteria, Gasol was 4th. He was behind Brook Lopez, Horford and Al Jefferson in both categories.
14.1 and 7.8 a game were his 3rd highest for each stat in his 5 year career. IMO, his stats will be deflated because of the system he plays in and because he plays with a great offensive player in Z-Bo. His importance to his team is not his offense but how great of a defender he is. I don't know how much the offense will change with a new coach but it shouldn't too much since their new coach was an assistant for the team last year. As long as Gasoline remains a force on defense, he will be at the top of the list of Centers.
lhslep134
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Jul 12, 2013 12:41pm
Gasol was 3rd among C (16th overall) in offensive win shares behind Tyson Chandler and Brook Lopez. He was 2nd in the league in defensive win shares behind Paul George. He was 6th in the league overall in total win shares.sportswizuhrd;1471655 wrote:His PER had him at 8th in the league for Center's who averaged 30 mins a game and played in 60 plus games. I think you meant Estimated Wins Added and not Value of a Wins added. Anyways, among Centers following the same criteria, Gasol was 4th. He was behind Brook Lopez, Horford and Al Jefferson in both categories.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013_leaders.html
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Jul 12, 2013 1:34pm
Oh no you hurt my feelz. Now who will i talk about random stats and win shares with?lhslep134;1471584 wrote:Case in point
Done talking basketball with you.
But the real fail was me predicting Josh Howard to get 10 and 5, can you believe i did that?
Midstate01
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Jul 13, 2013 12:22am
Deshaun thomas looked really good tonight for spurs.
robj55
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Jul 13, 2013 4:31pm
Saw that, looked like a steal at 58Midstate01;1471914 wrote:Deshaun thomas looked really good tonight for spurs.
ohiobucks1
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Jul 13, 2013 5:37pm
What did his stat line look like?
Ironman92
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Jul 13, 2013 5:37pm
OJ Mayo to Bucks 3 yr $24 mill
Surprised he only got $2 mill a year more than Kyle Korver
Surprised he only got $2 mill a year more than Kyle Korver