SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 4, 2013 9:01am
BR1986FB;1419508 wrote:"We" meaning a bunch of internet "armchair GM's?" I didn't see as many knocks on him, by scouts/professionals, as were mentioned on here.
And as far as the best QB, I'd tend to agree with what the professionals, who actually analyze this stuff, think.
Yeah that's your problem you listen to people who are regularly wrong..if you would have just made your own evaluations last year you would have been pissed about Weeden too.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 4, 2013 9:07am
You mean the professionals, who do this for a LIVING, versus internet wannabes? I think I'll stick with the people getting paid (scouts) to do it. I get the impression you feel that you have the qualifications to be an NFL GM or scout?SportsAndLady;1419513 wrote:Yeah that's your problem you listen to people who are regularly wrong..if you would have just made your own evaluations last year you would have been pissed about Weeden too.
From what I saw of Weeden, I didn't have the issues you did...since you want my "evaluations." He has the tools necessary to do well in the position. I only question what's inside his head. But that's not for ME to determine. The Browns brass will have to figure that out.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Apr 4, 2013 9:14am
Smith never ran in college.BR1986FB;1419493 wrote:He has the same issues that everyone knocks Weeden for. He's a younger version of Weeden with mobility.
like_that
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Apr 4, 2013 9:16am
Mobility doesn't necessarily mean "he runs the ball."Automatik;1419516 wrote:Smith never ran in college.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 4, 2013 9:16am
I know. That means he STILL is more mobile than Weeden. Weeden is a statue.Automatik;1419516 wrote:Smith never ran in college.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 4, 2013 9:17am
Exactly. He's not a QB that you're going to draft for a read option type offense but he can move when he needs to.like_that;1419517 wrote:Mobility doesn't necessarily mean "he runs the ball."
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 4, 2013 9:19am
Also, I have definitely seen Geno run for some big gains.
Automatik
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Apr 4, 2013 9:29am
Yeah, I thought you meant he was used in designed runs. He had a few gains last year on broken plays, maybe 200 yards all season.BR1986FB;1419518 wrote:I know. That means he STILL is more mobile than Weeden. Weeden is a statue.
I'm interested to see how he pans out. Everyone oooo'd and aaahh'd over his pro day. Just like they did for Sizzurp Russell.
My coworker said the Jets want him at 9 if he's there. For his sake I hope that doesn't happen. :laugh:
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BR1986FB
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Apr 4, 2013 9:35am
I can't remember any recent QB ever having a bad pro day. They set those things up so even marginal QB's will look good. Not saying Smith is "marginal." I just don't want him.Automatik;1419522 wrote:Yeah, I thought you meant he was used in designed runs. He had a few gains last year on broken plays, maybe 200 yards all season.
I'm interested to see how he pans out. Everyone oooo'd and aaahh'd over his pro day. Just like they did for Sizzurp Russell.
My coworker said the Jets want him at 9 if he's there. For his sake I hope that doesn't happen. :laugh:
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Apr 4, 2013 10:10am
The same professionals that said Leaf was better than Peyton, that Jamarcus was a can't miss prospect, and that Russell Wilson wouldn't do anything because he isn't tall?BR1986FB;1419515 wrote:You mean the professionals, who do this for a LIVING, versus internet wannabes? I think I'll stick with the people getting paid (scouts) to do it. I get the impression you feel that you have the qualifications to be an NFL GM or scout?
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BR1986FB
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Apr 4, 2013 10:19am
Still waiting to see the OhioChatter scouting creditials....:rolleyes:DeyDurkie5;1419536 wrote:The same professionals that said Leaf was better than Peyton, that Jamarcus was a can't miss prospect, and that Russell Wilson wouldn't do anything because he isn't tall?
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Apr 4, 2013 11:24am
like_that;1419520 wrote:Also, I have definitely seen Geno run for some big gains.
I've seen DA do it too.....
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 4, 2013 12:13pm
BR1986FB;1419541 wrote:Still waiting to see the OhioChatter scouting creditials....:rolleyes:
What does your thick skull not comprehend about how stupid you sound? Those "professionals" make plenty of mistakes ALL THE TIME. im not saying im a professional but I certainly could see Weeden was not going to be very good..and guess what, I was right. You and the "professionals" were wrong BR.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Apr 4, 2013 12:15pm
^He madSportsAndLady;1419619 wrote:What does your thick skull not comprehend about how stupid you sound? Those "professionals" make plenty of mistakes ALL THE TIME. im not saying im a professional but I certainly could see Weeden was not going to be very good..and guess what, I was right. You and the "professionals" were wrong BR.
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BR1986FB
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Apr 4, 2013 12:15pm
Don't blow out your shoulder patting yourself on the back when Weeden's grade as a QB is "incomplete." Let's see how he does will a REAL offensive coordinator who will unleash him and let him "let it rip" instead of neutering him with the dink & dunk underneath crap.SportsAndLady;1419619 wrote:What does your thick skull not comprehend about how stupid you sound? Those "professionals" make plenty of mistakes ALL THE TIME. im not saying im a professional but I certainly could see Weeden was not going to be very good..and guess what, I was right. You and the "professionals" were wrong BR.
derek bomar
Posts: 3,722
Apr 4, 2013 12:20pm
He's garbage and he'll suck this year too.
It's almost as if our scouting department had never been to a football game.
It's almost as if our scouting department had never been to a football game.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 4, 2013 12:22pm
New stuff from Adkins (OBR)...Browns will likely take a QB but expect it to be one of the Tyler's (Bray or Wilson) or Dysert.
Besides McCoy's cap hit part of the reason he was moved was because he wasn't seen as a "team player."
They like OG's (Warford-KY & Dallas Thomas-TN) but won't likely burn the pick on Warmack where they are currently positioned.
They love Tavon Austin & Keenan Allen but won't use #6 on one of them.
A name to watch at TE is Vance McDonald (Rice).
They really like Milliner but see 8 starting quality CB's in this draft.
They also like safeties Rambo (Georgia), Wilcox (Southern GA) & Swearinger (S. Carolina).
Besides McCoy's cap hit part of the reason he was moved was because he wasn't seen as a "team player."
They like OG's (Warford-KY & Dallas Thomas-TN) but won't likely burn the pick on Warmack where they are currently positioned.
They love Tavon Austin & Keenan Allen but won't use #6 on one of them.
A name to watch at TE is Vance McDonald (Rice).
They really like Milliner but see 8 starting quality CB's in this draft.
They also like safeties Rambo (Georgia), Wilcox (Southern GA) & Swearinger (S. Carolina).
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Apr 4, 2013 12:24pm
Think we'll all in agreement that Weeden is our best option this yr. We don't have anyone else. Jason Campbell isn't going to get us to the playoffs. Not a good QB that's going to come in here and Luck/RG3 us to the playoffs. I dont understand the continuing Weeden debate, we don't have another option. We're stuck. No sense in arguing about it, just a waste of time.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Apr 4, 2013 12:24pm
:thumbup::thumbup:BR1986FB;1419626 wrote:New stuff from Adkins (OBR)...Browns will likely take a QB but expect it to be one of the Tyler's (Bray or Wilson) or Dysert.
Besides McCoy's cap hit part of the reason he was moved was because he wasn't seen as a "team player."
They like OG's (Warford-KY & Dallas Thomas-TN) but won't likely burn the pick on Warmack where they are currently positioned.
They love Tavon Austin & Keenan Allen but won't use #6 on one of them.
A name to watch at TE is Vance McDonald (Rice).
They really like Milliner but see 8 starting quality CB's in this draft.
They also like safeties Rambo (Georgia), Wilcox (Southern GA) & Swearinger (S. Carolina).
Pick6
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Apr 4, 2013 12:27pm
So who the hell are they going to take at 6??
like_that
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Apr 4, 2013 12:30pm
Cards are holding a private workout for barklay. 3 weeks out from the draft and my bold (and wishful) prediction is the browns trade down twice and are still picking in the top 15.
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BR1986FB
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Apr 4, 2013 12:30pm
As has been mentioned, hope someone REALLY wants a LT and the Browns are in the sweet spot for a trade down.Pick6;1419633 wrote:So who the hell are they going to take at 6??
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BR1986FB
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Apr 4, 2013 12:32pm
Adkins also said if they can recoup a 2nd, they are willing to trade down a "handful" of slots but no more.like_that;1419635 wrote:Cards are holding a private workout for barklay. 3 weeks out from the draft and my bold (and wishful) prediction is the browns trade down twice and are still picking in the top 15.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Apr 4, 2013 1:15pm
I like Philip Thomas more than any of the safeties listed there, although in fairness I know nothing about Wilcox.
I agree that there are a lot of good cb's. But we'd probably need a 2nd rounder to get any of them. Will probably be 6-7 off the board by our 3rd round pick.
I'd like to see Escobar or McDonald at TE.
I agree that there are a lot of good cb's. But we'd probably need a 2nd rounder to get any of them. Will probably be 6-7 off the board by our 3rd round pick.
I'd like to see Escobar or McDonald at TE.
like_that
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Apr 4, 2013 4:33pm
Browns preseason schedule. Watch the genius schedule makers have the Browns play the Lions or Bears in week 1 of the regular season.
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