FWK, you say if the girl would have behaved and not gotten drunk, none of this would have happened. But if it didn't happen to her, they'd have done it to someone else. And if there were no drunk girls, they'd have raped a sober girl, etc. etc.

This was about having power over the girl and showing they were dominant and could take anything they wanted from her. That's what you're failing to understand. It has nothing to do with this particular girl in that regard. It could have and would have been anyone. The #RapeCrew would have found someone.

FairwoodKing;1353675 wrote:At no point did I ever blame the girl for the rape. Many times I have made it clear that those two boys should be tried in adult court and if found guilty should spend many years in prison. Rape is a serious crime and should be dealt with accordingly.

I simply said the girl has a problem that her parents are incapable of dealing with. She should be sent to rehab for about six months to dry out and to learn how to behave. Even though she broke the law, I am not suggesting incarceration. She simply needs help.

I will stand by my words.

Okay, so according to you, you never blame the girl?

A few posts later...

FairwoodKing;1353702 wrote:Let's get this straight. I did call her a drunken whore. That might have been harsh, but that's what she is. Had she behaved herself, none of this would have happened. I am NOT defending the boys who presumably raped her. If they are guilty (and that's up to the court to decide), I hope they spend at lest 20 years in prision and become the boy-toys of some Big Bubbas.

But the girl needs help. Even though she broke the law by drinking at her age, I am not sugggesting incarceration. She needs to go to a rehab center for about six months to get her life straighened out. If the judge has any sense, he or she will send her to that rehab center.

Will some responsible person (if there is one on this blog) please tell me what is wrong with my suggestions?

I have great sympathy for the girl, not because she may have been raped but because her parents taught her nothing. My parents taught me a great deal, and their teachings have followed me to my middle age. When I was in high school, I never lied to my parents and I obeyed the Commandment "Honor thy mother and thy father." I took care of Dad in my home until he died at the age of 96. I don't steal, I don't lie, and I don't kill. I have no police record. I'm a moral person. That's probably more than most of you can say. I don't have to apologize to anyone for my lifestyle. I am a person of good character. Don't try to challenge me on morals. I will beat you every time.

Getting back to this girl. She needs help, not the support of a group of trash called Anonymous. She needs rehab or she will live a miserable life. If money is needed to send her to rehab, I will contribute the first $100. I'm very serious. I truly do sympathize with this girl, but I'm not going to sit back and watch her bring down the finest institution I have ever been a part of. I'm not talking about football. I'm talking about the academics at Steubenville High School. Big Red prepared me for college. I am very grateful to that school for teaching me so well.

You idiots haven't heard the last of me.

That sure looks like blaming the victim to me!

You truly are a piece of shit human being as evidenced by some of the filth you are spewing forth in this thread. I think anyone here who is attacking you or making fun of you for being crippled in a wheel chair and/or gay is wrong as well. That shouldn't even be part of this discussion as it is not relevant. But from a purely moral perspective, you are as fucked up as it is because of the statements you have made toward this girl and trying to blame her.

And as far as this thread, this is the basement. We're not going to close this thread. We'll let you keep posting and making a complete ass of yourself for the world to see.

So the girl needs rehab to learn how to behave but not the boys who were drinking and underage who thought raping a girl was a good idea and then taking pictures and video and sending them all over dont need rehab. I guess their rehab was getting to play football after it happened.

Wait a second...FWK is an ordained minister?!

FairwoodKing;1353702 wrote:Let's get this straight. I did call her a drunken whore. That might have been harsh, but that's what she is. Had she behaved herself, none of this would have happened. I am NOT defending the boys who presumably raped her. If they are guilty (and that's up to the court to decide), I hope they spend at lest 20 years in prision and become the boy-toys of some Big Bubbas.

But the girl needs help. Even though she broke the law by drinking at her age, I am not sugggesting incarceration. She needs to go to a rehab center for about six months to get her life straighened out. If the judge has any sense, he or she will send her to that rehab center.

Will some responsible person (if there is one on this blog) please tell me what is wrong with my suggestions?

I have great sympathy for the girl, not because she may have been raped but because her parents taught her nothing. My parents taught me a great deal, and their teachings have followed me to my middle age. When I was in high school, I never lied to my parents and I obeyed the Commandment "Honor thy mother and thy father." I took care of Dad in my home until he died at the age of 96. I don't steal, I don't lie, and I don't kill. I have no police record. I'm a moral person. That's probably more than most of you can say. I don't have to apologize to anyone for my lifestyle. I am a person of good character. Don't try to challenge me on morals. I will beat you every time.

Getting back to this girl. She needs help, not the support of a group of trash called Anonymous. She needs rehab or she will live a miserable life. If money is needed to send her to rehab, I will contribute the first $100. I'm very serious. I truly do sympathize with this girl, but I'm not going to sit back and watch her bring down the finest institution I have ever been a part of. I'm not talking about football. I'm talking about the academics at Steubenville High School. Big Red prepared me for college. I am very grateful to that school for teaching me so well.

You idiots haven't heard the last of me.

Just that it's completely messed up. I mean, it is nice and all that you are willing to admit that the rapists were in the wrong, but the simple fact you're more concerned with the wrong-doing of the rape victim and how she should be punished or forced into rehab for a lengthy amount of time shows incredibly skewed priorities. Especially since I think we all know that if it'd been a case of a gay student getting drunk and horribly hazed by straight athletes, you'd be screaming "HATE CRIME" and talking about how this is just one more case of the horrible discrimination you have to deal with without all the hysteria about what the victim shouldn't have done.

But I do agree that if the girl hadn't made the mistake of associating with Steubenville football players, she wouldn't have been raped. Guess that's her mistake for not realizing just what kind of person operates under the Big Red system.

Lol @ FWK talking about seeing sonofsam in jail for an internet threat and then sending the lawyers after curly j.

This is fantastic.

And you took care of the father until he was 96? I thought Reno did that.

When I was in high school I went out and had drinks pretty much every weekend. I was a member of an athletic team. Girls would sometimes get a little to drunk for their own good. You know what we did, we helped them put then on their side on a couch covered with a blanket. We gave them water and checked on them. We sure as hell didn't say "shes so sloppy, we should just rape her, that will teach her". We also didn't say oh she has had sex with guys before she won't mind us raping her.

Everyone I partied with never went to rehab for something 60% of high school kids do. In fact most of us got the partying out of our system at a younger age and did really well in college. The girl in this case did nothing that deserves rape....Nothing.

I can't get over the fact that you think someone drinking a little to much and passing out is her giving an open invitation to be dragged party to party in a trunk of a car and raped.

I know you grew up in a different time. You need to realize in today's society the norm is kids drink in high school, kids start having sex in high school. I'm not saying every kid does this but most do. What isn't a norm is for someone to rape someone and because he's a football player to be allowed to get away with it.

Reno seems to have a lot of Joe Paterno in him. It sounds like he did a lot of good ie. making your dad happy by talking about football with him. But it's seems just like JoePa he made some mistakes in order to protect his football team. Reno and Paterno unltimatly made the same mistake choosing their football team over doing the right thing.

sherm03;1353795 wrote:Wait a second...FWK is an ordained minister?!

You can get ordained on this site for free

http://ulc.net/

Anyone can do it.

FairwoodKing;1353702 wrote:Let's get this straight. I did call her a drunken whore. That might have been harsh, but that's what she is. Had she behaved herself, none of this would have happened. I am NOT defending the boys who presumably raped her. If they are guilty (and that's up to the court to decide), I hope they spend at lest 20 years in prision and become the boy-toys of some Big Bubbas.

So she is a drunken whore for doing what every highschool kid does? Wow you really are out of touch on why we are giving you so much grief.

FairwoodKing;1353702 wrote:But the girl needs help. Even though she broke the law by drinking at her age, I am not sugggesting incarceration. She needs to go to a rehab center for about six months to get her life straighened out. If the judge has any sense, he or she will send her to that rehab center.

Will some responsible person (if there is one on this blog) please tell me what is wrong with my suggestions?

She does need help its called a psychologist cause of what she experienced that night.

FairwoodKing;1353702 wrote:I have great sympathy for the girl, not because she may have been raped but because her parents taught her nothing. My parents taught me a great deal, and their teachings have followed me to my middle age. When I was in high school, I never lied to my parents and I obeyed the Commandment "Honor thy mother and thy father." I took care of Dad in my home until he died at the age of 96. I don't steal, I don't lie, and I don't kill. I have no police record. I'm a moral person. That's probably more than most of you can say. I don't have to apologize to anyone for my lifestyle. I am a person of good character. Don't try to challenge me on morals. I will beat you every time.

Did you tell your parents you were gay as soon as you found out you were gay? I am guessing you didnt and you lived a lie for several years. Dont come in here with your hollier than thou bullshit. You need to understand you are demonizing this girl for no reason other then to make stupidville look good in your eyes. You need to get some help for your thinking.

FairwoodKing;1353702 wrote:Getting back to this girl. She needs help, not the support of a group of trash called Anonymous. She needs rehab or she will live a miserable life. If money is needed to send her to rehab, I will contribute the first $100. I'm very serious. I truly do sympathize with this girl, but I'm not going to sit back and watch her bring down the finest institution I have ever been a part of. I'm not talking about football. I'm talking about the academics at Steubenville High School. Big Red prepared me for college. I am very grateful to that school for teaching me so well.

You idiots haven't heard the last of me.

The school might prepare a lot of people for the next level. They should have never covered up this incident like they have. A young womans life has changed forever because of some bad choices some young boys made. The people at all these parties should be charged with some sort of charges as well as the coach that allowed them to drink at his house. Reno should be in jail with the boys for his threats and how he allowed them to continue on his team. You defending the boys just makes me sick and I am not sure how you can even think what you are saying is good.

mcburg93;1353828 wrote:Anyone can do it.

You gotta be able to spell Jayzus correctly...check out the site's "store"... Genuine Holy Water from the Jordan River for ONLY $4.95! FK'n Hilarious!

This is right up there with Rock_Knute going batshit crazy.

SportsAndLady;1353682 wrote:How in the blazes did we let this clown rack up 2300+ posts on this great site?

It's for the Lulz. He does not disappoint.

End of Line;1353841 wrote:This is right up there with Rock_Knute/Ender/Dynasty going bat**** crazy.

fify

I'm convinced this is another sleeper account. no way can someone be this far up a high school football team's ass.

vball10set;1353859 wrote:fify

Wait, you forgot SQ lol.

mcburg93;1353828 wrote:You can get ordained on this site for free

http://ulc.net/

Anyone can do it.

Ahh...I thought that he was actually a minister for some church, and not just a guy that ordered a certificate off the interwebs.

sportchampps;1353814 wrote:When I was in high school I went out and had drinks pretty much every weekend. I was a member of an athletic team. Girls would sometimes get a little to drunk for their own good. You know what we did, we helped them put then on their side on a couch covered with a blanket. We gave them water and checked on them. We sure as hell didn't say "shes so sloppy, we should just rape her, that will teach her". We also didn't say oh she has had sex with guys before she won't mind us raping her.

This couldn't be said any better. Reps. And I'll rep again if I could.

When someone(girl or guy) drank too much, you took care of them. You made sure they weren't in a position to choke on vomit and you kept them out of harms way.
This girl doesn't have a drinking problem that we know off. Her getting drunk one time doesn't mean she has a problem. Her drinking underage doesn't mean she has a problem. Her only problem is the depression she's sinking into because some scum thought it would be a good time to rape her, drag her around, and rape her again.

Holy shit. FWK might be the biggest POS I've ever interacted with. He can go fuck himself.

FairwoodKing;1353702 wrote:Getting back to this girl. She needs help, not the support of a group of trash called Anonymous. She needs rehab or she will live a miserable life. If money is needed to send her to rehab, I will contribute the first $100. I'm very serious. I truly do sympathize with this girl, but I'm not going to sit back and watch her bring down the finest institution I have ever been a part of. I'm not talking about football. I'm talking about the academics at Steubenville High School. Big Red prepared me for college. I am very grateful to that school for teaching me so well.

You idiots haven't heard the last of me.

FIRST BOLDED PART: I'd think that therapy probably is more of what she needs. You know...because of the mental trauma that's likely associated with how she got FUCKING RAPED BY FUCKING MEMBERS OF YOUR EVER-SO-FUCKING-PRECIOUS HIGH SCHOOL'S FOOTBALL TEAM! The sort of action that can definitely lead to someone having a miserable life if they're unable to mentally come to grips with what happened. You know, that part you constantly downplay with a little "those boys deserve punishment" comment before jumping back into your Perry Mason-esque "if she stayed at home and didn't drink, well...I guess she wouldn't have been raped, would she?" defense. which is the root of why virtually everyone here (and apparently a lot of people on other boards you spew this shit) is disgusted by you.


SECOND BOLDED PART: I give you credit. I've always laughed at people for getting pissed off at words on a computer screen on message boards, but this actually did it for me to the tune of me stepping away form the computer and pacing around the room for a couple minutes. I mean, bravo. I've always read about how it can be tough to get rape victims to come forward and, for me, that was always kind of tough to understand. Kind of a "well yeah, it sucked and is embarrassing and you probably don't want to relive the moment, but don't you want justice for yourself and perhaps others?" thing.

And now I have more insight. They have to deal with the physical and emotional ordeal of it all...and then have to be subjected to bullshit like this, which can be paraphrased to say, "I'm proud of my school and don't want anything to cast it in a negative light, so to hell with her!" It's just fucking sad you care more about your rose-colored memories than the reality of the present situation. Anyone who actually cared about that community/school would want to take steps to eradicate whatever culture there apparently looks at rape as an acceptable after-school activity — regardless of whether it causes a few prominent people to lose their positions because of their ignorance/apathy/acceptance of stuff like that.

That's the difference between a person who really cares about something and a person who only cares about how it is perceived. A person who cares would want to get to the bottom of things and do whatever it took to make sure nothing like this situation ever happens again. A person who only cares about perception...well, they can follow your blueprint where you talk about how the coach is really a great guy and try to pass as much blame as possible on the victim.

And by "victim", I do mean the girl. I get the impression that you're about ready to play the victim card on yourself again because of how this whole inconvenient little rape thing is making it tougher for you to crow about "the finest institution you have ever been a part of". Just wanted to make that clear.

THAT has got to be the first time the words Steubenville High School and "the finest institution I've ever been part of"...have ever occurred in the same sentance.

:laugh:

Tiernan;1354040 wrote:THAT has got to be the first time the words Steubenville High School and "the finest institution I've ever been part of"...have ever occurred in the same sentance.

mcburg93;1353828 wrote:You can get ordained on this site for free

http://ulc.net/

Anyone can do it.

Is that where he got his ministerial dregree?

Lets turn the situation around. Lets say members of a nearby football team did this to a Steubenville Big Red girl? Would she then be a drunken whore? Is it possible she was roofied by these football rapists? Would you have the same outrage and blame against the girl?

My parents taught me to behave, which is more than what the parents of these boys and this girl did. I never let them down. I have behaved all my life and I have nothing to be ashamed of.

All of you who have attacked me can go to hell. You won't find me there.

FairwoodKing;1354149 wrote:My parents taught me to behave, which is more than what the parents of these boys and this girl did. I never let them down. I have behaved all my life and I have nothing to be ashamed of.

All of you who have attacked me can go to hell. You won't find me there.

Publicly offering brutal judgments of an underage girl is hardly behaving. Your hands aren't clean by any means.