shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Nov 20, 2012 12:32pm
My point is you Dont given up on a qb after 10 game especially after he has had glimpse of being a winning qb for drafting a qb for shits n gigs in the top five. Its stupid.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Nov 20, 2012 12:34pm
Garcon 947 yard n 6 tds last year with painter throwing him the rock. But you're right he isn't good.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Nov 20, 2012 12:36pm
I was actually pro draft blackmon n Doug martin in the first round. Nice fail though. I also didn't mind drafting weeden in the second round for competitionPick6;1325907 wrote:I find it quite funny that the pro-Weeden group thinks we should give Weeden better weapons, while it was absurd to bring that up last year when people, like myself, were saying the same thing last year with McCoy.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Nov 20, 2012 12:37pm
Difference is, Weeden has the tools to get it done with the right supporting cast. McCoy doesn't. No way in Hell McCoy hits Gordon on those deep balls earlier in the year.Pick6;1325907 wrote:I find it quite funny that the pro-Weeden group thinks we should give Weeden better weapons, while it was absurd to bring that up last year when people, like myself, were saying the same thing last year with McCoy.
I'm more inclined to think it's not so much Weeden's supporting cast (although he could use a vet WR) as it is Shurmur's system. I don't think Weeden is a WCO dink & dunk kind of QB. He's more of a vertical guy. I think he'd thrive in an offense like Bruce Arians runs. And before you say it, it's very possible that Shurmur's system screwed McCoy up too.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Nov 20, 2012 12:41pm
Colt McCoy's stats last year with no running back and same group of shitty recievers minus Gordon:
Games Played:13 TD:14 Int:11 Completion %: 57.2 Rating: 74.6
Brandon Weeden's stats this year with good running back and Gordon:
Games Played: 10 TD: 11 Int:12 Completion %: 55.3 Rating: 70.3
Really do not know how Weeden isnt considered shitty if McCoy was.
Games Played:13 TD:14 Int:11 Completion %: 57.2 Rating: 74.6
Brandon Weeden's stats this year with good running back and Gordon:
Games Played: 10 TD: 11 Int:12 Completion %: 55.3 Rating: 70.3
Really do not know how Weeden isnt considered shitty if McCoy was.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Nov 20, 2012 12:42pm
Where did I say anything about where you wanted him drafted?shook_17;1325916 wrote:I was actually pro draft blackmon n Doug martin in the first round. Nice fail though. I also didn't mind drafting weeden in the second round for competition
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Nov 20, 2012 12:43pm
You DID forget to put in there that Weeden is a rookie and McCoy was in his second year. If Weeden looks as shitty as McCoy next year I'll buy what you're selling.Pick6;1325920 wrote:Colt McCoy's stats last year with no running back and same group of shitty recievers minus Gordon:
Games Played:13 TD:14 Int:11 Completion %: 57.2 Rating: 74.6
Brandon Weeden's stats this year with good running back and Gordon:
Games Played: 10 TD: 11 Int:12 Completion %: 55.3 Rating: 70.3
Really do not know how Weeden isnt considered shitty if McCoy was.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Nov 20, 2012 12:44pm
Weeden can stretch the field.....McCoy doesn't make as many bad decisions....it is just a trade off of what you prefer. I prefer neither...lolPick6;1325920 wrote:Colt McCoy's stats last year with no running back and same group of shitty recievers minus Gordon:
Games Played:13 TD:14 Int:11 Completion %: 57.2 Rating: 74.6
Brandon Weeden's stats this year with good running back and Gordon:
Games Played: 10 TD: 11 Int:12 Completion %: 55.3 Rating: 70.3
Really do not know how Weeden isnt considered shitty if McCoy was.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Nov 20, 2012 12:45pm
Spin spin spin spin spinBR1986FB;1325926 wrote:You DID forget to put in there that Weeden is a rookie and McCoy was in his second year. If Weeden looks as shitty as McCoy next year I'll buy what you're selling.
Its the WRs fault! No its the coaches fault!
Face it, Weeden sucks and you're all oblivious to that.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Nov 20, 2012 12:47pm
Considering McCoy didnt have a training camp and had not had a full starting season under his belt yet, I cant agree.BR1986FB;1325926 wrote:You DID forget to put in there that Weeden is a rookie and McCoy was in his second year. If Weeden looks as shitty as McCoy next year I'll buy what you're selling.
I think looking at their first 16 games started would probably be the most accurate comparison.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Nov 20, 2012 12:47pm
McCoy isn't going to turn the ball over because he's afraid to cut it loose and make a mistake. That could be on Shurmur telling him not to turn it over. I'm starting to think Weeden is getting that same fear (of cutting it loose).wes_mantooth;1325927 wrote:Weeden can stretch the field.....McCoy doesn't make as many bad decisions....it is just a trade off of what you prefer. I prefer neither...lol
If the Browns are going to beat the Steelers, Shurmur is going to have to let Weeden throw a few deep balls.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Nov 20, 2012 12:48pm
Weeden has a strong arm, that's it. That is all he has shown as far as "tools".BR1986FB;1325917 wrote:Difference is, Weeden has the tools to get it done with the right supporting cast. McCoy doesn't. No way in Hell McCoy hits Gordon on those deep balls earlier in the year.
I'm more inclined to think it's not so much Weeden's supporting cast (although he could use a vet WR) as it is Shurmur's system. I don't think Weeden is a WCO dink & dunk kind of QB. He's more of a vertical guy. I think he'd thrive in an offense like Bruce Arians runs. And before you say it, it's very possible that Shurmur's system screwed McCoy up too.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Nov 20, 2012 12:48pm
How can you not prefer Weeden hes a rookie and has only played 10 games!!!wes_mantooth;1325927 wrote:Weeden can stretch the field.....McCoy doesn't make as many bad decisions....it is just a trade off of what you prefer. I prefer neither...lol
Yet br and others kept saying "thank god we didn't draft blackmon" ..after 5 games ....
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Nov 20, 2012 12:48pm
Not really. Andy Dalton, a rookie, didn't have training camp either.Pick6;1325931 wrote:Considering McCoy didnt have a training camp and had not had a full starting season under his belt yet, I cant agree.
I think looking at their first 16 games started would probably be the most accurate comparison.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Nov 20, 2012 12:50pm
And I still stand behind it. I think Gordon can be as good as, or better, than Blackmon. Top 5 pick on a WR, especially not one seen as elite, is a waste.SportsAndLady;1325936 wrote:How can you not prefer Weeden hes a rookie and has only played 10 games!!!
Yet br and others kept saying "thank god we didn't draft blackmon" ..after 5 games ....
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Nov 20, 2012 12:52pm
He had weapons offensively though.BR1986FB;1325937 wrote:Not really. Andy Dalton, a rookie, didn't have training camp either.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Nov 20, 2012 12:54pm
Missed my point completely..you said before the draft blackmon will suck. After 5 games you used his first 5 games as reason to say you were right.BR1986FB;1325938 wrote:And I still stand behind it. I think Gordon can be as good as, or better, than Blackmon. Top 5 pick on a WR, especially not one seen as elite, is a waste.
I said before the draft that Weeden will suck. After 10 games im using his first 10 games to say I told you so.
Yet you say we can't make that judgment because hes a rookie and its only been 10 games. Contradict much?
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Nov 20, 2012 12:59pm
How about this...
Weeden's first 10 games:
Completion: 55.3% TD: 10 INT: 11 QBR: 22.8 Rating: 70.3
McCoy's first 10 games:
Completion: 59.8% TD: 9 Int: 10 QBR: 46.18 Rating: 76.34
1 rushing TD as well.
I really wasnt as down as some people on here,but after comparing him and McCoy, along with his age and lack of mobility, I cannot see why anybody with rational thoughts that was done with McCoy would want to give Weeden more time.
Weeden's first 10 games:
Completion: 55.3% TD: 10 INT: 11 QBR: 22.8 Rating: 70.3
McCoy's first 10 games:
Completion: 59.8% TD: 9 Int: 10 QBR: 46.18 Rating: 76.34
1 rushing TD as well.
I really wasnt as down as some people on here,but after comparing him and McCoy, along with his age and lack of mobility, I cannot see why anybody with rational thoughts that was done with McCoy would want to give Weeden more time.
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Motard
Posts: 6
Nov 20, 2012 1:09pm
Either way they are both below average QBs. Cleveland is in a tough spot but I don't think drafting another QB is a viable option, let McCoy and Weeden fight for the job next year, It really can't get much worse. Fill some other holes with the draft.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Nov 20, 2012 1:18pm
Bc I'm pro weeden lol I figured you were talking to all pro weeden.Pick6;1325924 wrote:Where did I say anything about where you wanted him drafted?
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Nov 20, 2012 1:39pm
fifySportsAndLady;1325929 wrote:
Face it, Browns sucks and you're all oblivious to that.
royal_k
Posts: 4,423
Nov 20, 2012 3:58pm
lol...you can't compare rookie WRs to rookie QBs. That's just retarded. QB is the hardest position in professional sports to learn and be good at. Give Weeden another year with a good coach and see what you have. It's crazy to start over every year.
And draft a QB every year with your first pick until you finally like what you get is insane. Some of this stuff has me wondering what some of you are smoking.
And draft a QB every year with your first pick until you finally like what you get is insane. Some of this stuff has me wondering what some of you are smoking.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Nov 20, 2012 4:32pm
Finally getting a good QB is insane? Its not like we'd go 10 drafts until we find a good QB. It'd be at most 3 drafts taking a first round QB. No different than the trade the redskins made.royal_k;1326086 wrote:lol...you can't compare rookie WRs to rookie QBs. That's just retarded. QB is the hardest position in professional sports to learn and be good at. Give Weeden another year with a good coach and see what you have. It's crazy to start over every year.
And draft a QB every year with your first pick until you finally like what you get is insane. Some of this stuff has me wondering what some of you are smoking.
royal_k
Posts: 4,423
Nov 20, 2012 4:42pm
So you draft a QB in the first round for 3 strait years (4 counting last draft) and neglect the rest of the team....got yaSportsAndLady;1326108 wrote:Finally getting a good QB is insane? Its not like we'd go 10 drafts until we find a good QB. It'd be at most 3 drafts taking a first round QB. No different than the trade the redskins made.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Nov 20, 2012 5:26pm
Hey, come on now, you and I have been in this thing since the beginning.SportsAndLady;1325929 wrote:
Face it, Weeden sucks and you're all oblivious to that.