said_aouita
Posts: 8,532
Nov 19, 2012 8:04pm
Redskins need a few defense pieces. No qb in this next draft worthy of 1st round money. Maybe the Browns plan on sucking until they can draft Braxton.Laley23;1325316 wrote:Redskins will be worse than the Browns the next 3 years. Im calling it now. RG3 is NOT good enough to sell the farm for. If he was available for less, and thus you could build around him in subsequent drafts, you make that trade. As it stands, the Skins are in a worse position than the Browns, I dont doubt that at all.
word.Rotinaj;1325325 wrote:Redskins will EASILY be better than the Browns over the next 3 years. Not sure how you can possibly say otherwise. Unless RG3 suffers a horrible injury.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Nov 19, 2012 8:05pm
wes_mantooth;1325321 wrote:exactly. Price was way too high....no one wanted RG3 for that price. I didn't want him at 4....would have been pissed if they traded everything for him.
And shurmur would have ruined him anyways lol
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Nov 19, 2012 8:05pm
Ugh yeah there is bro, Geno Smith and Matt Barkly. I swear when i see you, Im pissing in your cheerios. Take that shit to the bank.Rotinaj;1325248 wrote:Especially when there isn't a big time QB coming out.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Nov 19, 2012 8:06pm
said_aouita;1325326 wrote:Redskins need a few defense pieces. No qb in this next draft worthy of 1st round money. Maybe the Browns plan on sucking until they can draft Braxton.
word.
Hell no Braxton is not a good passer at all.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Nov 19, 2012 8:07pm
shook_17;1325328 wrote:Ugh yeah there is bro, Geno Smith and Matt Barkly. I swear when i see you, Im pissing in your cheerios. Take that **** to the bank.
Actually I kind of like Landry jones.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Nov 19, 2012 8:08pm
wes_mantooth;1325174 wrote:I am giving him a full year, but I am starting to have serious doubts.
wes_mantooth;1323722 wrote:Ok, I am done with Weeden,...
j/k, I say a lot of stupid shit in the heat of the moment on the game threads...but I did remember reading that and starting to chuckle at everyone coming around to my POV
Oh and someone shut Said up...if we have to hear one more god damn time that the Browns passed on rg3 (they didn't..), I'm done with these threads
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Nov 19, 2012 8:12pm
SportsAndLady;1325333 wrote:
j/k, I say a lot of stupid **** in the heat of the moment on the game threads...but I did remember reading that and starting to chuckle at everyone coming around to my POV
Oh and someone shut Said up...if we have to hear one more god damn time that the Browns passed on rg3 (they didn't..), I'm done with these threads
I'm actually starting to agree with you. I would like to give weedon 1 more year though because I don't like any of the qb's in this draft at all except maybe jones or bray(his decision making sucks)
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Nov 19, 2012 8:12pm
eh, they have Dan Snyder....lol, the great equalizer.Rotinaj;1325325 wrote:Redskins will EASILY be better than the Browns over the next 3 years. Not sure how you can possibly say otherwise. Unless RG3 suffers a horrible injury.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Nov 19, 2012 8:14pm
Pick6;1325282 wrote:Browns secondary is fine, IMO outside of FS when Haden is healthy. Skrine cannot guard #1s
lol thats what I'm saying. What the hell game are you watching? Like I said yesterday if the Browns went with a CB with our first pick, I wouldn't cry one bit. Give me Rhodes from Florida State or Milliner from Alabama, I think I'm missing a corner coming out too.Crimson streak;1325284 wrote:Lol outside of Haden the secondary is horrible I dk wth games your watching
With that being said, I have been a HUGE Brandon supporter even before the draft. I do not believe on giving up on a qb 10 games into a career. He has a cannon, a very good offensive line in front of him. Hes very hot n cold when he plays. I am not blaming Pat Shurmur but Weeden isn't taking shots down field anymore, a lot less than the start of the year. Yes he has 12 INTs but so does Andrew Luck. Rookies are going to make mistakes. I expect Weeden to be here next year and the new front office either drafts a qb in the 3rd or 4th round or bring a vet.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Nov 19, 2012 8:16pm
lol...True, but I have never been sold. I wanted Justin Blackmon and that guard that ended up at Pittsburgh for christ's sake...lmaoSportsAndLady;1325333 wrote:
j/k, I say a lot of stupid shit in the heat of the moment on the game threads...but I did remember reading that and starting to chuckle at everyone coming around to my POV
Oh and someone shut Said up...if we have to hear one more god damn time that the Browns passed on rg3 (they didn't..), I'm done with these threads
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Nov 19, 2012 8:16pm
Landry Jones scares me, I just don't know about him. I like Tyler Wilson coming out. Yes he has been hurt but the dude can game. I believe he can be the best qb coming out of this class. ( I know thats not saying much as of right now)Crimson streak;1325337 wrote:I'm actually starting to agree with you. I would like to give weedon 1 more year though because I don't like any of the qb's in this draft at all except maybe jones or bray(his decision making sucks)
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Nov 19, 2012 8:17pm
Definitely wanted blackmon too. He has just been having a shitty year with Blaine Gabbert throwing him the fucking ball. lolwes_mantooth;1325344 wrote:lol...True, but I have never been sold. I wanted Justin Blackmon and that guard that ended up at Pittsburgh for christ's sake...lmao
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Nov 19, 2012 8:19pm
Serious question here. Who's the last successful nfl QB who had a .500 final year in college? I admit I haven't watched much of Geno but he seems to have disappeared in some big games.shook_17;1325328 wrote:Ugh yeah there is bro, Geno Smith and Matt Barkly. I swear when i see you, Im pissing in your cheerios. Take that shit to the bank.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Nov 19, 2012 8:20pm
I don't really have an issue with letting Weeden finish out the year, as I don't think benching him now would bring anything of positive value to the Browns, short and long term.
But what's the point of keeping him next year? My whole stance has not been that Weeden sucks, but rather his ceiling is an average QB. They'll be 8-8 next year. Then what are we going to do? Grab a mid first round QB (again)? Trust that '14 draft is loaded at QB?
Take a QB top 5 pick this year. It's time.
But what's the point of keeping him next year? My whole stance has not been that Weeden sucks, but rather his ceiling is an average QB. They'll be 8-8 next year. Then what are we going to do? Grab a mid first round QB (again)? Trust that '14 draft is loaded at QB?
Take a QB top 5 pick this year. It's time.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Nov 19, 2012 8:28pm
lol i was being sarcastic. I just remember people pimping Geno Smith hardcore when he was crushing shitty ass college teams. I don't think Smith is worth a top 10 pick.Rotinaj;1325350 wrote:Serious question here. Who's the last successful nfl QB who had a .500 final year in college? I admit I haven't watched much of Geno but he seems to have disappeared in some big games.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Nov 19, 2012 8:31pm
But thats the thing, I haven't seen a QB that screams I am a top five pick this year. Usually at this time "that" qb is starting to shine and everybody is starting to take notice, I haven't noticed anybody..SportsAndLady;1325351 wrote:I don't really have an issue with letting Weeden finish out the year, as I don't think benching him now would bring anything of positive value to the Browns, short and long term.
But what's the point of keeping him next year? My whole stance has not been that Weeden sucks, but rather his ceiling is an average QB. They'll be 8-8 next year. Then what are we going to do? Grab a mid first round QB (again)? Trust that '14 draft is loaded at QB?
Take a QB top 5 pick this year. It's time.
I mean if there were a RG3 or Luck hell yes you pull the trigger. But i do not buy what Smith or Barkley are selling.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Nov 19, 2012 8:32pm
Not me man. I wish the Browns would have stuck with McCoy and just taken another good position player at #20. Think of the guys you could have got at #20....McCoy was good enough for where they are going this year.(edit) I'm not trolling. You know I'm right. You wish the Browns would have took him.
Admit it.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Nov 19, 2012 8:32pm
SportsAndLady;1325351 wrote:I don't really have an issue with letting Weeden finish out the year, as I don't think benching him now would bring anything of positive value to the Browns, short and long term.
But what's the point of keeping him next year? My whole stance has not been that Weeden sucks, but rather his ceiling is an average QB. They'll be 8-8 next year. Then what are we going to do? Grab a mid first round QB (again)? Trust that '14 draft is loaded at QB?
Take a QB top 5 pick this year. It's time.
I honestly don't see any qb's better than weedon in this draft as bad as that is so there's really no point in wasting a top 5 pick in something that's not better than what we have. That why I say give him another year build up the o line and secondary/ lb then go get that qb the following year.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Nov 19, 2012 8:33pm
You and I are not NFL scouts. A lot of people "think" now that there isn't a great QB prospect, but that doesn't mean one won't emerge.shook_17;1325377 wrote:But thats the thing, I haven't seen a QB that screams I am a top five pick this year. Usually at this time "that" qb is starting to shine and everybody is starting to take notice, I haven't noticed anybody..
I mean if there were a RG3 or Luck hell yes you pull the trigger. But i do not buy what Smith or Barkley are selling.
And even if we take a Gabbert, and he sucks...we'll have another top 5 pick in '14 lol
I mean it sounds ridiculous, but this fucking franchise needs a damn QB.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Nov 19, 2012 8:37pm
I will bet my life a QB in next year's draft will be better than Weeden.Crimson streak;1325380 wrote:I honestly don't see any qb's better than weedon in this draft as bad as that is
Weeden isn't good lol idk why I keep hearing this "there's no QB better than Weeden"
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Nov 19, 2012 8:38pm
I agree. Maybe the Colts will trade Luck for Weeden straight up?SportsAndLady;1325382 wrote:You and I are not NFL scouts. A lot of people "think" now that there isn't a great QB prospect, but that doesn't mean one won't emerge.
And even if we take a Gabbert, and he sucks...we'll have another top 5 pick in '14 lol
I mean it sounds ridiculous, but this fucking franchise needs a damn QB.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Nov 19, 2012 8:39pm
Maybe I am, maybe I'm not.. Hmmm...SportsAndLady;1325382 wrote:You and I are not NFL scouts. A lot of people "think" now that there isn't a great QB prospect, but that doesn't mean one won't emerge.
And even if we take a Gabbert, and he sucks...we'll have another top 5 pick in '14 lol
I mean it sounds ridiculous, but this ****ing franchise needs a damn QB.
And come on bro you know better than that! that is no way to draft. Why waste a first round pick then have to turn around a burn another one. Whats another year of shitty qb play? It has been 12 years now?
EDIT: If one does emerge and the front office wants him. I back the front office 100%. I am rooting for the Browns not the name on that back.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Nov 19, 2012 8:41pm
Well we can take a QB until one pans out, or we can just keep doing what we've been doing...shook_17;1325390 wrote:And come on bro you know better than that! that is no way to draft. Why waste a first round pick then have to turn around a burn another one. Whats another year of shitty qb play? It has been 12 years now?
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Nov 19, 2012 8:44pm
I said they are fine when Haden is healthy. Everybody "bumping up" is what causes problems. Reading comprehension is your friend.Crimson streak;1325284 wrote:Lol outside of Haden the secondary is horrible I dk wth games your watching
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Nov 19, 2012 8:48pm
SportsAndLady;1325387 wrote:I will bet my life a QB in next year's draft will be better than Weeden.
Weeden isn't good lol idk why I keep hearing this "there's no QB better than Weeden"
I bet there won't be. Honestly name 1 qb that is worthy of a top 5 pick this draft. All these qb's have major major flaws. And keep drafting a qb top 5 year after year is no way to build a team at all.