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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Nov 20, 2012 10:19am
Fine, you win. Draft a QB every year, because no quarterback in the league has ever developed over time, all the good ones were instant stars.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Nov 20, 2012 10:21am
Peyton Manning lit it up his rookie year with 28 interceptions !queencitybuckeye;1325801 wrote:Fine, you win. Draft a QB every year, because no quarterback in the league has ever developed over time, all the good ones were instant stars.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Nov 20, 2012 10:22am
Ravens won the superbowl with Dilfer. Bears got there with sexy Rexy.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Nov 20, 2012 10:24am
Exception, not the rule.Raw Dawgin' it;1325805 wrote:Ravens won the superbowl with Dilfer. Bears got there with sexy Rexy.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Nov 20, 2012 10:25am
I'll be surprised if a game manager QB ever wins another Super Bowl. I think Weeden can be more than a game manager but it would be nice if they could run the ball a little more and not have him slinging it 40x's a game.Raw Dawgin' it;1325805 wrote:Ravens won the superbowl with Dilfer. Bears got there with sexy Rexy.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Nov 20, 2012 10:25am
And historically great defenses.Raw Dawgin' it;1325805 wrote:Ravens won the superbowl with Dilfer. Bears got there with sexy Rexy.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Nov 20, 2012 10:30am
TRich has averaged 25.6 carries and 107.3ypg the past 3 games.BR1986FB;1325810 wrote:I'll be surprised if a game manager QB ever wins another Super Bowl. I think Weeden can be more than a game manager but it would be nice if they could run the ball a little more and not have him slinging it 40x's a game.
edit: and has the 8th most attempts in the NFL.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Nov 20, 2012 10:40am
Or a really good run game like when Seattle went. You don't need a world beater QB, but you definitely need someone who won't cost you games.SportsAndLady;1325811 wrote:And historically great defenses.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Nov 20, 2012 11:04am
we should do what s&l thinks and draft a qb top 5 every year till we find a qb
/ sarcasm
Honestly that is the dumbest shit I have ever heard. It really is
/ sarcasm
Honestly that is the dumbest shit I have ever heard. It really is
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raiderbuck
Posts: 1,623
Nov 20, 2012 11:12am
I'm with BR. I really don't see how drafting another QB solves anything. In fact, we've had what like 12 different QBs to start for us since 1999? How does drafting another QB any different than what we've been doing?
Isn't that in itself the definition of insanity?
Stick with Weeden. Get him an actual target to throw the frickin' ball to. Luck has Reggie Wayne, RG3 has Santana Moss and Garcon (when he's healthy). Hell, Cam Newton has Steve Smith and Greg Olsen. The QB carousel is not the answer.
Isn't that in itself the definition of insanity?
Stick with Weeden. Get him an actual target to throw the frickin' ball to. Luck has Reggie Wayne, RG3 has Santana Moss and Garcon (when he's healthy). Hell, Cam Newton has Steve Smith and Greg Olsen. The QB carousel is not the answer.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Nov 20, 2012 11:29am
Bingo! Browns haven't had a QB start in back-to-back season openers since when?raiderbuck;1325841 wrote:I'm with BR. I really don't see how drafting another QB solves anything. In fact, we've had what like 12 different QBs to start for us since 1999? How does drafting another QB any different than what we've been doing?
Isn't that in itself the definition of insanity?
Stick with Weeden. Get him an actual target to throw the frickin' ball to. Luck has Reggie Wayne, RG3 has Santana Moss and Garcon (when he's healthy). Hell, Cam Newton has Steve Smith and Greg Olsen. The QB carousel is not the answer.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 20, 2012 11:33am
Weeden has Gordon who is better than Moss or Garcon.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Nov 20, 2012 11:36am
Lol weren't all you guys saying this same bullshit with McCoy? Well we know he's not the answer but everyone wanted to stick with McCoy another year. That makes me lol. Weeden has shown glimpse that he can be a winning qb. Weeden has better tools than McCoy but we are ready to throw weeden to the curb after gen game but were willing to keep McCoy after 20 some games bc we haven't seen enough. What joke.SportsAndLady;1325798 wrote:Its not stupid. Hes shown no hope that he'll be anything more than an average QB. Why would we stick with that?
Congrats br u found the one person that actually agrees with u right now.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 20, 2012 11:36am
The Browns still need an impact LB. Until we get that, might as well just throw in the towel.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Nov 20, 2012 11:37am
Very debateable. Gordon has really proven nothing. He's had a few good games but his route running is suspect. Moss & Garcon at least have a track record.sleeper;1325858 wrote:Weeden has Gordon who is better than Moss or Garcon.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Nov 20, 2012 11:38am
Lol you can not be serious. Right now Id take garcon over Gordon. Gordon's potential is higher j think but wtf come on now. When garcon is healthy he can ballsleeper;1325858 wrote:Weeden has Gordon who is better than Moss or Garcon.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 20, 2012 11:39am
Gordon would have a track record too if he wasn't a rookie. Garcon is overrated; he was only good because he had Peyton Manning throwing him the ball. Santana moss isn't even a top 20 WR.BR1986FB;1325863 wrote:Very debateable. Gordon has really proven nothing. He's had a few good games but his route running is suspect. Moss & Garcon at least have a track record.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 20, 2012 11:39am
Fixed.shook_17;1325865 wrote:Lol you can not be serious. Right now Id take garcon over Gordon. Gordon's potential is higher j think but wtf come on now. When garcon has Peyton Manning he can ball
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Nov 20, 2012 11:41am
sleeper;1325867 wrote:Gordon would have a track record too if he wasn't a rookie. Garcon is overrated; he was only good because he had Peyton Manning throwing him the ball. Santana moss isn't even a top 20 WR.
Actually garçon had his best year last year with Curtis painter as his qb
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Nov 20, 2012 11:45am
I am so confident that the steelers lose this one that I am awaiting the vbookie to open for this game and will put all 27,000 vdollars on the brownies to win.
As I told a buddy today....the only way the steelers win is if Cleveland pulls a cleveland!
As I told a buddy today....the only way the steelers win is if Cleveland pulls a cleveland!
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 20, 2012 11:47am
Product of a system.Crimson streak;1325873 wrote:Actually garçon had his best year last year with Curtis painter as his qb
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Nov 20, 2012 11:56am
Stop making excuses. You made an idiotic statement.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Nov 20, 2012 12:02pm
We said stick with McCoy after it was obvious rg3 and luck were not a possibility and that Weeden would probably be our pick. What the fuck is the point?shook_17;1325861 wrote:Lol weren't all you guys saying this same bullshit with McCoy? Well we know he's not the answer but everyone wanted to stick with McCoy another year. That makes me lol. Weeden has shown glimpse that he can be a winning qb. Weeden has better tools than McCoy but we are ready to throw weeden to the curb after gen game but were willing to keep McCoy after 20 some games bc we haven't seen enough. What joke.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 20, 2012 12:06pm
Garcon isn't good. The only reason people like him is that he's a "local" boy. He sucks; average WR at best.shook_17;1325888 wrote:Stop making excuses. You made an idiotic statement.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Nov 20, 2012 12:30pm
I find it quite funny that the pro-Weeden group thinks we should give Weeden better weapons, while it was absurd to bring that up last year when people, like myself, were saying the same thing last year with McCoy.