jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Nov 6, 2012 11:04pm
Obama only needs 21
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Nov 6, 2012 11:04pm
Will be interesting to know if a libertarian in FL took the 40,000 votes that Romney needs to win the state. Possible that a libertarian stands between a Romney win or an obama win. That would be a shame.
osudarby08
Posts: 734
Nov 6, 2012 11:04pm
They asked for my ID in Hilliard todayderek bomar;1314686 wrote:side bar - why didn't we have to show ID at the polls in Ohio to vote?
pmoney25
Posts: 1,787
Nov 6, 2012 11:05pm
I wanted him to win. I also think that given the same resources and exposure Romeny had that Gary Johnson could have really put up a good fight. Also as for someone else who actually ran, he would have been my third choice, I do think Jon Huntsman could have put up a good fight.Cleveland Buck;1314678 wrote:The GOP had a fiscally conservative, small government, peace candidate with a 30 year record of standing on those principles. Judging by those exit polls he would have destroyed Obama. Oh well. You live and learn I guess.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Nov 6, 2012 11:05pm
Fox has given Ohio to Obama.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Nov 6, 2012 11:05pm
That's not the issue. They are losing this election because of OH and/or FL. They lost those states because of minorities and the poor/middle class. If they want to win another election they will need to pivot toward socialism.ts1227;1314677 wrote:Depends on if the party pulls its head out of its ass and stops alienating everyone not on the extreme right fringe before 2015 or not.
Ty Webb
Posts: 2,798
Nov 6, 2012 11:05pm
MSNBC CALLED OHIO
pmoney25
Posts: 1,787
Nov 6, 2012 11:06pm
Doesn't matter, Obama won without FloridaQuakerOats;1314696 wrote:Will be interesting to know if a libertarian in FL took the 40,000 votes that Romney needs to win the state. Possible that a libertarian stands between a Romney win or an obama win. That would be a shame.
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Nov 6, 2012 11:06pm
I didderek bomar;1314686 wrote:side bar - why didn't we have to show ID at the polls in Ohio to vote?
BigAppleBuckeye
Posts: 2,935
Nov 6, 2012 11:07pm
I think this would actually be a good thing ... at least a third party, in some capacity, would have had an impact on this election. A baby step toward third-party legitimacy would be a refreshing end result, in my opinion.QuakerOats;1314696 wrote:Will be interesting to know if a libertarian in FL took the 40,000 votes that Romney needs to win the state. Possible that a libertarian stands between a Romney win or an obama win. That would be a shame.
believer
Posts: 8,153
Nov 6, 2012 11:07pm
2014 won't matter either. I'm stunned that Obama was even in this race let alone actually win re-election after the last dismal 4 years. If this is acceptable to the American sheeple, then 2014 won't be any different.gut;1314692 wrote:That's not productive. That's not going to fix anything, and status quo won't cut it. Turn our eyes to 2014 I suppose.
My fingers are crossed that business throws in the towel and starts putting their cash to work. Waiting out Obama for a year or two is a lot different than 4 years with no clue what direction we go from there.
As far as business letting loose why should it? Higher taxes, Obamacare, etc. only means businesses (especially small businesses) are likely to continue to hoard their cash.
Look for stagnant unemployment and slow growth for the foreseeable future. Lovely.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Nov 6, 2012 11:09pm
How is that a good thing? It will just make it that much easier for the Dems and their socialist agenda to win elections. That was the point some of us have been making all along.BigAppleBuckeye;1314705 wrote:I think this would actually be a good thing ... at least a third party, in some capacity, would have had an impact on this election. A baby step toward third-party legitimacy would be a refreshing end result, in my opinion.
derek bomar
Posts: 3,722
Nov 6, 2012 11:10pm
game. blouses
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Nov 6, 2012 11:10pm
Amazing that this election appears to hinge on margins of about 50k in both FL and OH.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Nov 6, 2012 11:11pm
The Obama campaign might have been the single greatest campaign I have ever seen.
They said the electorate would look like it did in 2008 and that all the new minorities and young people and all that would happen again and I thought they were nuts.
Big winner tonight also is Nate Silver, who was pretty much dead on again.
I am personally stunned as I didn't see this coming. Most of the polls were wrong because the likely voter models weren't getting an accurate picture of the electorate. The Obama team clearly new something we didn't.
They said the electorate would look like it did in 2008 and that all the new minorities and young people and all that would happen again and I thought they were nuts.
Big winner tonight also is Nate Silver, who was pretty much dead on again.
I am personally stunned as I didn't see this coming. Most of the polls were wrong because the likely voter models weren't getting an accurate picture of the electorate. The Obama team clearly new something we didn't.
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Nov 6, 2012 11:11pm
Already onto loaded talking point words for 2016? That was fastgut;1314701 wrote:That's not the issue. They are losing this election because of OH and/or FL. They lost those states because of minorities and the poor/middle class. If they want to win another election they will need to pivot toward socialism.
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Nov 6, 2012 11:11pm
It's more likely that the libertarian made it that close in the first place.QuakerOats;1314696 wrote:Will be interesting to know if a libertarian in FL took the 40,000 votes that Romney needs to win the state. Possible that a libertarian stands between a Romney win or an obama win. That would be a shame.
believer
Posts: 8,153
Nov 6, 2012 11:11pm
Preciselygut;1314708 wrote:How is that a good thing? It will just make it that much easier for the Dems and their socialist agenda to win elections. That was the point some of us have been making all along.
BigAppleBuckeye
Posts: 2,935
Nov 6, 2012 11:11pm
I am still an eternal optimist that some day this country will grow beyond the two party system ... but that is a story for another day.gut;1314708 wrote:How is that a good thing? It will just make it that much easier for the Dems and their socialist agenda to win elections. That was the point some of us have been making all along.
As for tonight, that's game ... #Obama2012. Nice work Ohio.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Nov 6, 2012 11:12pm
I actually don't understand any of the voter ID law. I've had to show my ID for every election since I've been voting.Classyposter58;1314704 wrote:I did
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Nov 6, 2012 11:12pm
lol, not a chance that happens.BigAppleBuckeye;1314715 wrote:I am still an eternal optimist that some day this country will grow beyond the two party system ... but that is a story for another day.
As for tonight, that's game ... #Obama2012. Nice work Ohio.
derek bomar
Posts: 3,722
Nov 6, 2012 11:12pm
I tried to show mine, and was told that I didn't need to. Same thing for my wife.osudarby08;1314697 wrote:They asked for my ID in Hilliard today
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Nov 6, 2012 11:12pm
And women should never vote.tk421;1314717 wrote:lol, not a chance that happens.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Nov 6, 2012 11:12pm
the American people have rejected what so many on the site have espoused. Greed and bigotry have been turned back.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Nov 6, 2012 11:12pm
It's not loaded talking points. Plenty said this in the prior weeks. That's why some of us viewed this election as so critical. It puts the US on what may be an irreversible path toward the European model. And as I've said many times, that means persistently high unemployment, large deficits, and stagnant growth.ts1227;1314712 wrote:Already onto loaded talking point words for 2016? That was fast