believer
Posts: 8,153
Nov 8, 2012 9:30pm
ding ding dingWebFire;1316284 wrote:I see a map like that and would think a dominating win for W. But it wasn't. Just seems skewed. Maybe it's not. W and BO both won popular votes in those years. Though not by much. Just seems like the electoral isn't doing it's job well when you see maps like that.
We have a winner!
dazedconfused
Posts: 2,662
Nov 8, 2012 9:32pm
ha! they still have yet to declare a winner for florida. that state is such a mess when it comes to electionsSportsAndLady;1315640 wrote:
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Nov 8, 2012 9:33pm
I think it needs tweaked. Some sort of electoral at the state level. Something to split the electoral votes up. An almost 50/50 state shouldn't go all to one candidate. That is not a true voice for that state.believer;1316307 wrote:ding ding ding
We have a winner!
believer
Posts: 8,153
Nov 8, 2012 9:35pm
Agreed. Or get rid of it altogether and give the individual voter true electoral power.WebFire;1316311 wrote:I think it needs tweaked. Some sort of electoral at the state level. Something to split the electoral votes up. An almost 50/50 state shouldn't go all to one candidate. That is not a true voice for that state.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Nov 8, 2012 11:03pm
I don't think the maps posted here tell any sort of story. Dirt doesn't vote, people do.
Forgive me if I don't get the explanation precisely right, but this shows the country weighted by population and which way the voters went. The majority of the country is reddish-purple, which is something north of 50% for repubs. But the big blue areas, probably 55-60%+ for D, control a bunch of electoral votes. That's a problem. But I'd like to see the electoral votes overlaid and maybe it looks more even.
Popular vote still has its problems, too. I don't think people should be ignored and their vote diminished for choosing to live in the 99%+ of the country without highrises.
An uninformed electorate is far and away the biggest problem. Would be nice if the 4th estate could properly educate voters, but they care about ratings now.
Forgive me if I don't get the explanation precisely right, but this shows the country weighted by population and which way the voters went. The majority of the country is reddish-purple, which is something north of 50% for repubs. But the big blue areas, probably 55-60%+ for D, control a bunch of electoral votes. That's a problem. But I'd like to see the electoral votes overlaid and maybe it looks more even.
Popular vote still has its problems, too. I don't think people should be ignored and their vote diminished for choosing to live in the 99%+ of the country without highrises.
An uninformed electorate is far and away the biggest problem. Would be nice if the 4th estate could properly educate voters, but they care about ratings now.
rmolin73
Posts: 4,278
Nov 10, 2012 1:21am
The crying continues I see.
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Nov 10, 2012 1:24am
I believe you're supposed to say it like this:rmolin73;1317073 wrote:The crying continues I see.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Nov 13, 2012 10:53am
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/11/08/upside-down-flag-protests-over-election-sparking-controversy/
Any you read some of the comments at the bottom and some things really smell about this election.
Any you read some of the comments at the bottom and some things really smell about this election.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Nov 13, 2012 10:56am
Your lack of basic dignity?QuakerOats;1319188 wrote:http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/11/08/upside-down-flag-protests-over-election-sparking-controversy/
Any you read some of the comments at the bottom and some things really smell about this election.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Nov 13, 2012 11:39am
Nobody lives in the red parts. If it was based on population the democrat machine would turn out people in New York, California and Illinois and Republicans would never have a chance.WebFire;1316284 wrote:I see a map like that and would think a dominating win for W. But it wasn't. Just seems skewed. Maybe it's not. W and BO both won popular votes in those years. Though not by much. Just seems like the electoral isn't doing it's job well when you see maps like that.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Nov 13, 2012 11:44am
Sounds to me like you're asking for proportional representation...which makes sense as those are the only systems that result in multi-party systems.WebFire;1316311 wrote:I think it needs tweaked. Some sort of electoral at the state level. Something to split the electoral votes up. An almost 50/50 state shouldn't go all to one candidate. That is not a true voice for that state.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Nov 13, 2012 11:44am
Guess that's why Romney didn't win....Big.....LOL.QuakerOats;1319188 wrote:http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/11/08/upside-down-flag-protests-over-election-sparking-controversy/
Any you read some of the comments at the bottom and some things really smell about this election.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Nov 13, 2012 12:10pm
Oh, sort of like 2012?BoatShoes;1319224 wrote:Nobody lives in the red parts. If it was based on population the democrat machine would turn out people in New York, California and Illinois and Republicans would never have a chance.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Nov 13, 2012 12:21pm
Republicans/Conservative leaning party have only won the popular vote once since 1988 and it's only getting worse. Also, that's within an electoral college system wherein turnout efforts aren't focused on the populous liberal states. The electoral college, the Senate and gerrymandered congressional districts are really the only thing keeping the conservative point of view in the ball game at this point as far as majorities go.WebFire;1319261 wrote:Oh, sort of like 2012?
I'm telling you that the last thing you would want is an election that turns almost entirely on democrats getting out the vote in New York, Illinois and California. The most populous state in the country just went super-majority democrat.
**Should also note that the one time Republicans did win the popular vote was basically a "Khaki Election" as two wars had just gotten underway.
Not looking good on the popular vote front in my humble opinion.
bigdaddy2003
Posts: 7,384
Nov 13, 2012 12:25pm
A friend just told me that there were something like 58 districts in Philadelphia that didn't have 1 vote for Romney. That is sad.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Nov 13, 2012 12:27pm
What that sound? Oh, it is the sound of Quaker really reaching for anything to try and rationalize that the President is still Obama.QuakerOats;1319188 wrote:http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/11/08/upside-down-flag-protests-over-election-sparking-controversy/
Any you read some of the comments at the bottom and some things really smell about this election.
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Nov 13, 2012 12:29pm
Tinhorn 3rd world dictators can't even generate those kind of numbers.bigdaddy2003;1319276 wrote:A friend just told me that there were something like 58 districts in Philadelphia that didn't have 1 vote for Romney. That is sad.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Nov 13, 2012 12:32pm
I look at the map and get the country is full of moderates. And, as a result, ideology is overstated and honestly people want compromise and solutions.gut;1316362 wrote:I don't think the maps posted here tell any sort of story. Dirt doesn't vote, people do.
Forgive me if I don't get the explanation precisely right, but this shows the country weighted by population and which way the voters went. The majority of the country is reddish-purple, which is something north of 50% for repubs. But the big blue areas, probably 55-60%+ for D, control a bunch of electoral votes. That's a problem. But I'd like to see the electoral votes overlaid and maybe it looks more even.
Popular vote still has its problems, too. I don't think people should be ignored and their vote diminished for choosing to live in the 99%+ of the country without highrises.
An uninformed electorate is far and away the biggest problem. Would be nice if the 4th estate could properly educate voters, but they care about ratings now.
So, saying one party needs to dominate makes no realistic sense, as it will never happen. The country always swings one way or the other.
Lesson: Both parties need to work together. Left and right need to let some things go for the better part of the country.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Nov 13, 2012 12:32pm
The sole black panther's intimidation factor IMHO.bigdaddy2003;1319276 wrote:A friend just told me that there were something like 58 districts in Philadelphia that didn't have 1 vote for Romney. That is sad.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Nov 13, 2012 2:04pm
I yell ya 2016 can't get here fast enough. I just know that the Kenyon will figure out a way to run for a third term. Probably an amendment to Obamakare.QuakerOats;1319188 wrote:http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/11/08/upside-down-flag-protests-over-election-sparking-controversy/
Any you read some of the comments at the bottom and some things really smell about this election.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Nov 13, 2012 3:35pm
Well, "we need to pass the bill to see what's in it" ...............Footwedge;1319382 wrote:I yell ya 2016 can't get here fast enough. I just know that the Kenyon will figure out a way to run for a third term. Probably an amendment to Obamakare.
TedSheckler
Posts: 3,974
Nov 13, 2012 3:39pm
bigdaddy2003;1319276 wrote:A friend just told me that there were something like 58 districts in Philadelphia that didn't have 1 vote for Romney. That is sad.
What about the county in Florida with 72,000 more votes than voters?
2kool4skool
Posts: 1,804
Nov 13, 2012 3:58pm
Quaker, are you welching on our bet?QuakerOats;1319463 wrote:Well, "we need to pass the bill to see what's in it" ...............
BGFalcons82
Posts: 2,173
Nov 13, 2012 5:09pm
Where are the OWS crowds these days?
Oh wait...I forgot...their financiers won last week.
Nevermind.
Oh wait...I forgot...their financiers won last week.
Nevermind.
believer
Posts: 8,153
Nov 13, 2012 5:11pm
Yes but the Buckeye OWS groupies are pissed that their Food Stamp bennies are about to be cut.BGFalcons82;1319539 wrote:Where are the OWS crowds these days?
Oh wait...I forgot...their financiers won last week.
Nevermind.
