LJ
Posts: 16,351
Nov 6, 2012 10:22pm
tk421;1314624 wrote:Yeah, the system needs to change. They should at least divvy up EV based upon the % of vote in a state instead of winner takes all. That would at least make it count when you vote somewhere in a strong party state.
I said that last election. So much of a population in a state loses out because of the density in cities.
derek bomar
Posts: 3,722
Nov 6, 2012 10:23pm
Obama... you came and you gave me a cell phone... but Mitt took it away, Obammaaaaaaaa
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Nov 6, 2012 10:23pm
Haha Milwaukee hasn't even came in yet...
derek bomar
Posts: 3,722
Nov 6, 2012 10:25pm
watching fox news right now, just to get a feeling for how sad they are. they are sad. it's over.
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Nov 6, 2012 10:26pm
Milwaukee results rolling in are projected to pound Romney in the asstk421;1314621 wrote:Romney is ahead in Wisconsin which has 10 EV
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Nov 6, 2012 10:31pm
Some states do, but the same candidate typically wins all the EV in a state.tk421;1314624 wrote:Yeah, the system needs to change. They should at least divvy up EV based upon the % of vote in a state instead of winner takes all. That would at least make it count when you vote somewhere in a strong party state.
Ty Webb
Posts: 2,798
Nov 6, 2012 10:36pm
MSNBC just called Minnesota for Obama
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Nov 6, 2012 10:37pm
FL could be coming back...probably a tease. But within 10k votes I'd think Romney could take that with the military/overseas ballots.
pmoney25
Posts: 1,787
Nov 6, 2012 10:38pm
So where do the Republicans go from here? They have to find a way to attract more of the youth vote and more of the minority vote.
Todd Akin now on tv doing his concession speech. Social Conservatism taking a hit tonight
Todd Akin now on tv doing his concession speech. Social Conservatism taking a hit tonight
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Nov 6, 2012 10:39pm
Obama has a 90,000 vote lead and Cuyahoga county is only 30% in. Akron is only 60% in.
That is a massive problem for Romney right now.
Hamilton county is a pretty much split right now when it needs to be 65/35 Romney.
This is not good for him at all.
That is a massive problem for Romney right now.
Hamilton county is a pretty much split right now when it needs to be 65/35 Romney.
This is not good for him at all.
dazedconfused
Posts: 2,662
Nov 6, 2012 10:40pm
well, that, and the art of making claims of "legitimate rape"pmoney25;1314645 wrote:So where do the Republicans go from here? They have to find a way to attract more of the youth vote and more of the minority vote.
Todd Akin now on tv doing his concession speech. Social Conservatism taking a hit tonight
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Nov 6, 2012 10:40pm
A warmonger, police state Republican will never again win a national election.pmoney25;1314645 wrote:So where do the Republicans go from here? They have to find a way to attract more of the youth vote and more of the minority vote.
Todd Akin now on tv doing his concession speech. Social Conservatism taking a hit tonight
pmoney25
Posts: 1,787
Nov 6, 2012 10:41pm
Or Rape being Gods will. you would think people would be smarter than this.dazedconfused;1314648 wrote:well, that, and the art of making claims of "legitimate rape"
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Nov 6, 2012 10:41pm
Social conservatism has been dying a slow death.
This election is about socialism and govt dependence. People want to be like Europe. I really think everything else is noise - the changing demographics are such that they think the European model works. How do you combat that with the media and our universities mostly in the bag for it? You can't, we will have to go down that path and fail for ourselves.
This election is about socialism and govt dependence. People want to be like Europe. I really think everything else is noise - the changing demographics are such that they think the European model works. How do you combat that with the media and our universities mostly in the bag for it? You can't, we will have to go down that path and fail for ourselves.
pmoney25
Posts: 1,787
Nov 6, 2012 10:43pm
I agree and that is a good thing. Hopefully the Neo Con/Establishment group will fade away in obscurity now.Cleveland Buck;1314649 wrote:A warmonger, police state Republican will never again win a national election.
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Nov 6, 2012 10:44pm
In exit polls a large majority, I think around 60% believed the government does too much and wanted smaller government. Many of them voted for Obama.gut;1314650 wrote:Social conservatism has been dying a slow death.
This election is about socialism and govt dependence. People want to be like Europe. I really think everything else is noise - the changing demographics are such that they think the European model works. How do you combat that with the media and our universities mostly in the bag for it? You can't, we will have to go down that path and fail for ourselves.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Nov 6, 2012 10:45pm
no matter who wins, this could be the closest election in history, both ways.
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Nov 6, 2012 10:45pm
I agree, only when we fall we'll fall a lot harder. Young people have been conditioned to rely on the government, they don't see anything wrong with Big Brother taking care of them. I really am not going to enjoy the coming years.gut;1314650 wrote:Social conservatism has been dying a slow death.
This election is about socialism and govt dependence. People want to be like Europe. I really think everything else is noise - the changing demographics are such that they think the European model works. How do you combat that with the media and our universities mostly in the bag for it? You can't, we will have to go down that path and fail for ourselves.
believer
Posts: 8,153
Nov 6, 2012 10:46pm
agreedgut;1314650 wrote:Social conservatism has been dying a slow death.
This election is about socialism and govt dependence. People want to be like Europe. I really think everything else is noise - the changing demographics are such that they think the European model works. How do you combat that with the media and our universities mostly in the bag for it? You can't, we will have to go down that path and fail for ourselves.
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Nov 6, 2012 10:46pm
wanting smaller government and voting for Democrats is like a gun owner voting for Democrats. It just doesn't compute.Cleveland Buck;1314654 wrote:In exit polls a large majority, I think around 60% believed the government does too much and wanted smaller government. Many of them voted for Obama.
pmoney25
Posts: 1,787
Nov 6, 2012 10:47pm
Unfortunately I think you are right. I do think that we either had to take the road of choosing to take the hard road or be forced into failure. Obviously you know over our discussions I did not like either candidate but I think we agree that we are definitely going to take a big hit soon and people are going to be in for a rude awakening.gut;1314650 wrote:Social conservatism has been dying a slow death.
This election is about socialism and govt dependence. People want to be like Europe. I really think everything else is noise - the changing demographics are such that they think the European model works. How do you combat that with the media and our universities mostly in the bag for it? You can't, we will have to go down that path and fail for ourselves.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Nov 6, 2012 10:47pm
It's Rubio in 2016. No one else has a chance.pmoney25;1314645 wrote:So where do the Republicans go from here? They have to find a way to attract more of the youth vote and more of the minority vote.
Find a way to change the culture of the electorate, otherwise to be relevant the Repubs are going to have to sell their own brand of socialism. Capitalism, self-reliance and individualism are dead.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Nov 6, 2012 10:47pm
Mitt within 1 point now in Ohio.
derek bomar
Posts: 3,722
Nov 6, 2012 10:48pm
it's because Mitt Romney is Barrack Obama, he's just more black (bigger family - h/t Chris Rock). If you want small gov't but have two big gov't candidates, why not go for the one who is at least socially accepting of all people (Obama)? If the Rs would have nominated an actual small gov't candidate, maybe things would have been differentCleveland Buck;1314654 wrote:In exit polls a large majority, I think around 60% believed the government does too much and wanted smaller government. Many of them voted for Obama.
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Nov 6, 2012 10:48pm
That's what happens when you run fucking Mitt Romney. People were saying back in the primaries that the lineup of turds the R's had was going to kill them regardless of nominee.tk421;1314658 wrote:wanting smaller government and voting for Democrats is like a gun owner voting for Democrats. I just doesn't compute.