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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Dec 3, 2012 2:32pm
Love the move for chapma
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Dec 4, 2012 11:40am
Latos isn't a FA until 2016.Azubuike24;1335166 wrote:Bailey and Latos are free agent after this year. Given the recent contracts to pitchers of their caliber, there's no way they sign both. Latos will cost in the 10-13M/yr range and Bailey in the 8-10M/yr range.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Dec 4, 2012 1:28pm
I mispoke, but he'll start escalating salary through arbitration. Would be the time to discuss extending him and/or Bailey.
SnotBubbles
Posts: 4,492
Dec 5, 2012 7:34am
It's not a joke. He overuses young pitching, keeps them on the mound for too long and ends up ruining their arms. The human arm isn't made to throw a ball 90+MPH 110 times, 32 times a year. Dusty Baker disagrees.SportsAndLady;1331689 wrote:Dusty is my bottom 5 favorite person in the world, but the whole "Dusty ruins arms" fallacy is a joke.
And lol at all of you Reds fans hating on Baker. All the guy does it get teams to the playoffs and win. Think back 5 years ago...oh, wait...most of you didn't become Reds fans until they got good again.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 5, 2012 8:29am
Uhh, we don't want to just win and make the playoffs...this isn't Chicago, Snot, we actually try and win world series. The guy has choked on 3 teams now in the playoffs, with great teams. We'll never do anything with Dusty Baker except "just win and make the playoffs"....then lose in the playoffs.SnotBubbles;1336694 wrote:And lol at all of you Reds fans hating on Baker. All the guy does it get teams to the playoffs and win. Think back 5 years ago...oh, wait...most of you didn't become Reds fans until they got good again.
Don't you do a sports radio show? If so, you're probably really fucking lousy at it.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 5, 2012 8:34am
SnotBubbles;1336694 wrote:It's not a joke. He overuses young pitching, keeps them on the mound for too long and ends up ruining their arms. The human arm isn't made to throw a ball 90+MPH 110 times, 32 times a year. Dusty Baker disagrees.
And lol at all of you Reds fans hating on Baker. All the guy does it get teams to the playoffs and win. Think back 5 years ago...oh, wait...most of you didn't become Reds fans until they got good again.
You're on a bitter roll this morning.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 5, 2012 8:35am
Someone either pissed in his cheerios or he was raped this morningIronman92;1336715 wrote:You're on a bitter roll this morning.
http://www.ohiochatter.com/forum/showthread.php?38054-LOL-wut&p=1336716&viewfull=1#post1336716
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 5, 2012 8:37am
SportsAndLady;1336718 wrote:Someone either pissed in his cheerios or he was raped this morning
http://www.ohiochatter.com/forum/showthread.php?38054-LOL-wut&p=1336716&viewfull=1#post1336716
Yeah....I just saw that after I posted. Can't find his flying monkeys or something.
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Dec 5, 2012 8:50am
So you are aloud to dislike baker but the fans of the team he underachieves with arent? Go Find Yourself.SnotBubbles;1336694 wrote:It's not a joke. He overuses young pitching, keeps them on the mound for too long and ends up ruining their arms. The human arm isn't made to throw a ball 90+MPH 110 times, 32 times a year. Dusty Baker disagrees.
And lol at all of you Reds fans hating on Baker. All the guy does it get teams to the playoffs and win. Think back 5 years ago...oh, wait...most of you didn't become Reds fans until they got good again.
SnotBubbles
Posts: 4,492
Dec 5, 2012 9:54am
Totally fucking lousy.SportsAndLady;1336713 wrote:Uhh, we don't want to just win and make the playoffs...this isn't Chicago, Snot, we actually try and win world series. The guy has choked on 3 teams now in the playoffs, with great teams. We'll never do anything with Dusty Baker except "just win and make the playoffs"....then lose in the playoffs.
Don't you do a sports radio show? If so, you're probably really fucking lousy at it.
Most of the other 29 teams in MLB aren't the Yankees....MOST of them. You have to be patient to win a World Series. 3 years ago the Reds were the laughing stock of the NL Central, maybe even the league. If you know anything about baseball, you know it takes time to get competitive. You don't go from 72 wins to a World Series Championship in 1 year.
Just remember, the Reds have had 2 good seasons in the last 10 years.
SnotBubbles
Posts: 4,492
Dec 5, 2012 9:58am
Who says I dislike Baker? I dislike how he handles young pitching talent...but I think he's a great coach and his track record speaks volumes to that.Rotinaj;1336725 wrote:So you are aloud to dislike baker but the fans of the team he underachieves with arent? Go Find Yourself.
How are the Reds underachieving? 2 NL titles in the last 3 years, 2 trips to the playoffs in the last 3 years....
Underachieving is not winning a championship in 104 years. Or having one of the league's top payrolls and finishing towards the bottom. Don't debate a Cubs fan on underachieving! The Reds are actually overachieving in my opinion.
But all of the "new" Reds fans that came out of the woodwork 3 years ago don't understand how baseball works. It's the only sports where a plan and building process is key to success. You can't just buy a good team for an extended period of time...you have to develop it. The Reds have done a good job at developing it, stick with and trust the organization and Baker.
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Dec 5, 2012 10:10am
3 years ago the Reds were 78-84. Hardly a laughing stock. I wouldnt expect you to know this, being a moron and all.SnotBubbles;1336744 wrote:Totally fucking lousy.
Most of the other 29 teams in MLB aren't the Yankees....MOST of them. You have to be patient to win a World Series. 3 years ago the Reds were the laughing stock of the NL Central, maybe even the league. If you know anything about baseball, you know it takes time to get competitive. You don't go from 72 wins to a World Series Championship in 1 year.
Just remember, the Reds have had 2 good seasons in the last 10 years.
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Dec 5, 2012 10:12am
And you can still underachieve even if you make the playoffs. Once again, i dont expect you to actually know this because of the previously stated reason.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 5, 2012 10:13am
Who are these new Reds fans?
Dusty's playoff record speaks for itself....but he has been the manager for 3 of the 7 biggest postseason collapses....for 3 different teams.
Dusty's playoff record speaks for itself....but he has been the manager for 3 of the 7 biggest postseason collapses....for 3 different teams.
SnotBubbles
Posts: 4,492
Dec 5, 2012 11:00am
LOL! Cincinnati is the biggest bunch of fair weather fans I've ever seen! Check out the stands 3 years ago. There were people I didn't even know liked baseball all of sudden come out and say "Go Reds!" I'm not saying all, but there were a LOT!Ironman92;1336761 wrote:Who are these new Reds fans?
Dusty's playoff record speaks for itself....but he has been the manager for 3 of the 7 biggest postseason collapses....for 3 different teams.
SnotBubbles
Posts: 4,492
Dec 5, 2012 11:02am
Questioning my intelligence because you disagree with me? That seems like a good debate strategy. 3 years ago was the beginning of the turn. But they were still not very good, and you can't argue that fact. I expect you to know this, not being a moron and all, but 4 of the 6 years prior to that the Reds finished 5th in the division. That's laughable.Rotinaj;1336757 wrote:3 years ago the Reds were 78-84. Hardly a laughing stock. I wouldnt expect you to know this, being a moron and all.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 5, 2012 11:11am
SnotBubbles;1336795 wrote:LOL! Cincinnati is the biggest bunch of fair weather fans I've ever seen! Check out the stands 3 years ago. There were people I didn't even know liked baseball all of sudden come out and say "Go Reds!" I'm not saying all, but there were a LOT!
Ok.....I don't know what you're talking about but if that's your thought. My experiences tell me the Bengals fans are far more like that....but it's also way cheaper to hit a Reds game.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 5, 2012 11:25am
Bengals fans definitely do not have the following the reds have..reds fans are some of the best in baseball. Its really not a debate that reds fans are fair weather. That's just retarded.
SnotBubbles
Posts: 4,492
Dec 5, 2012 1:26pm
It's not retarded. I've gone to many games down there where the seats were not even close to being filled. I've watched hundreds of people who I didn't even know like baseball turn in to die hard Reds fans (ETB). If you can't see that, then you weren't a fan 4-5 years ago when no one around claimed to like the Reds...which makes you one of the fair weather fans.SportsAndLady;1336815 wrote:Bengals fans definitely do not have the following the reds have..reds fans are some of the best in baseball. Its really not a debate that reds fans are fair weather. That's just retarded.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Dec 5, 2012 1:57pm
Lol at only being reds fans for the last 3 years. Guarantee you could go back years and the same people here would be there posting. I hated the losing years. But still watched 150-160 games a year. Not everyone is a fair weather fan...
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Dec 5, 2012 1:59pm
SnotBubbles;1336797 wrote:Questioning my intelligence because you disagree with me? That seems like a good debate strategy. 3 years ago was the beginning of the turn. But they were still not very good, and you can't argue that fact. I expect you to know this, not being a moron and all, but 4 of the 6 years prior to that the Reds finished 5th in the division. That's laughable.
Actually 5 years ago was the beginning of the turn. As they went with all young players and let them grow together and struggle together. And even though they lost a ton of games, they were reslly fun to watch and you could see something building.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 5, 2012 2:24pm
SnotBubbles;1336885 wrote:It's not retarded. I've gone to many games down there where the seats were not even close to being filled. I've watched hundreds of people who I didn't even know like baseball turn in to die hard Reds fans (ETB). If you can't see that, then you weren't a fan 4-5 years ago when no one around claimed to like the Reds...which makes you one of the fair weather fans.
Jesus you are super intelligent..
Fair weather fans but they don't show up to watch the games?
No one shows up because they'd rather watch from home...take a look at FSO's tv ratings for reds games and get back to us.
Hell there was a game thread started for every game this year, including early in the season, coming off a down year. Such fair weather we are.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Dec 5, 2012 2:27pm
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/scott-rolen-still-not-sure-if-hell-retire-or-play-an-18th-season/
I thought Rolen was done for sure, seems the Reds fans on here couldn't wait to get rid of him?
I thought Rolen was done for sure, seems the Reds fans on here couldn't wait to get rid of him?
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Dec 5, 2012 2:36pm
Is the human arm made to throw a ball 90+MPH 90 times, 32 times a year? How about 85 times? What's the magic cutoff number?SnotBubbles;1336694 wrote:It's not a joke. He overuses young pitching, keeps them on the mound for too long and ends up ruining their arms. The human arm isn't made to throw a ball 90+MPH 110 times, 32 times a year. Dusty Baker disagrees.
SnotBubbles
Posts: 4,492
Dec 5, 2012 4:27pm
93. Scientifically proven by scientists.justincredible;1336940 wrote:Is the human arm made to throw a ball 90+MPH 90 times, 32 times a year? How about 85 times? What's the magic cutoff number?