Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Nov 26, 2012 8:59pm
se-alum;1329998 wrote:Would love to see Chapman's arm hold up as a starter, but I have my doubts.
I have my doubts the REDS will ever find out.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Nov 27, 2012 4:26pm
Couple Reds on here; Chapman the highest
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8627624/rating-players-contracts-major-league-baseball-part-2
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8627624/rating-players-contracts-major-league-baseball-part-2
TedSheckler
Posts: 3,974
Nov 28, 2012 11:32am
Broxton. Done deal. 3-years, $21 million.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Nov 28, 2012 12:31pm
Welcome to the rotation Chapman
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Nov 28, 2012 12:35pm
Ol Dusty will ruin him.SportsAndLady;1331294 wrote:Welcome to the rotation Chapman
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Nov 28, 2012 12:48pm
Broxton as the closer scares the hell out of me.
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baseballstud24
Posts: 547
Nov 28, 2012 1:01pm
Hello Tommy John and a strict inning limit
TedSheckler
Posts: 3,974
Nov 28, 2012 1:03pm
Me too. I'm not liking this at all.se-alum;1331314 wrote:Broxton as the closer scares the hell out of me.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Nov 28, 2012 7:56pm
Dusty is my bottom 5 favorite person in the world, but the whole "Dusty ruins arms" fallacy is a joke.Commander of Awesome;1331296 wrote:Ol Dusty will ruin him.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Nov 28, 2012 7:56pm
Same. Not a fan of Chapman moving to the rotation simply because I don't think he'll be as good as he could be as the closer pitching in almost every game.se-alum;1331314 wrote:Broxton as the closer scares the hell out of me.
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Nov 28, 2012 8:00pm
If chapman turns out to be a good starter we could very well have one of the top 2 or 3 staffs in the league. If he doesn't pan out just put him back as the closer.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Nov 28, 2012 8:16pm
SportsAndLady;1331689 wrote:Dusty is my bottom 5 favorite person in the world, but the whole "Dusty ruins arms" fallacy is a joke.
Somewhat interested in your top 5...sounds like a decent thread topic
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Nov 29, 2012 8:29pm
Chapman will be a great starter IF he's willing to throw that slider, and the occasional changeup. I have serious doubts about Broxton's ability to be a highly effective closer at this point.
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
Nov 30, 2012 1:29am
Put him back as a closer and Broxton is an expensive 7th/8th inning guy.Rotinaj;1331691 wrote:If chapman turns out to be a good starter we could very well have one of the top 2 or 3 staffs in the league. If he doesn't pan out just put him back as the closer.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Nov 30, 2012 9:48am
I'm not 100% sure they signed Broxton to be solely in the closer role. He came out and said he will play any role the Reds want him to, which kind of shows there was no promise to be a closer.sportswizuhrd;1333323 wrote:Put him back as a closer and Broxton is an expensive 7th/8th inning guy.
swamisez
Posts: 1,990
Dec 2, 2012 1:33pm
Can never have enough arms. They still have Massett correct? He will be fresh after a year off with rehab. Competition for innings 7-8-9 is always good.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 2, 2012 1:45pm
Hoover to close? Was thinking about that last night
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Dec 2, 2012 3:03pm
SportsAndLady;1334552 wrote:Hoover to close? Was thinking about that last night
I think that's def an option.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Dec 2, 2012 8:26pm
Sounds like the Reds and Rockies may be throwing around the idea of a deal involving Homer Bailey and Dexter Fowler. I'm a big Dexter Fowler fan, but definitely have my concerns over him hitting outside of Coors. He's a massive upgrade over Stubbs and given that he's not a free agent until after 2015, he'd be a much cheaper option than having to sign Bourn, Upton or trading for Span...
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Dec 2, 2012 9:15pm
Azubuike24;1335123 wrote:Sounds like the Reds and Rockies may be throwing around the idea of a deal involving Homer Bailey and Dexter Fowler. I'm a big Dexter Fowler fan, but definitely have my concerns over him hitting outside of Coors. He's a massive upgrade over Stubbs and given that he's not a free agent until after 2015, he'd be a much cheaper option than having to sign Bourn, Upton or trading for Span...
I'm more alarmed at his lack of SB despite his + speed.
I'm not worried about his hitting outside of Coors. He isn't a home run hitter.
But... Why not keep Bailey and just plug Hamilton into CF and bring him along slowly (i.e. hit him low in the order until he settles in)
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Dec 2, 2012 9:17pm
Bailey and Latos are free agent after this year. Given the recent contracts to pitchers of their caliber, there's no way they sign both. Latos will cost in the 10-13M/yr range and Bailey in the 8-10M/yr range.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Dec 2, 2012 9:21pm
Azubuike24;1335166 wrote:Bailey and Latos are free agent after this year. Given the recent contracts to pitchers of their caliber, there's no way they sign both. Latos will cost in the 10-13M/yr range and Bailey in the 8-10M/yr range.
Why not keep him for the 1 yr? Who cares if you can't resign him? Dumb to trade somebody for a guy like Fowler, especially when you have a carbon copy like Hamilton waiting in the wings.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Dec 2, 2012 9:41pm
His value is really high right now...
The Reds also need TWO outfielders. They are thinking about paying Ludwick 7-8M a year. Would you rather have...
Fowler + Hamilton and save some money on Bailey and Ludwick to spend elsewhere?
Bailey + Ludwick and basically max out payroll capacity for the next 2 years (maybe longer with Bailey)?
I like Bailey. I'd love to see him sign long-term. With that said, now is the time to either sign him long-term, meaning you're committed to him steadily improving over the next 5 years or trade him, given that his value is high and he's coveted by other teams.
The WORST thing you can do is simply let him play out the year and walk...
The Reds also need TWO outfielders. They are thinking about paying Ludwick 7-8M a year. Would you rather have...
Fowler + Hamilton and save some money on Bailey and Ludwick to spend elsewhere?
Bailey + Ludwick and basically max out payroll capacity for the next 2 years (maybe longer with Bailey)?
I like Bailey. I'd love to see him sign long-term. With that said, now is the time to either sign him long-term, meaning you're committed to him steadily improving over the next 5 years or trade him, given that his value is high and he's coveted by other teams.
The WORST thing you can do is simply let him play out the year and walk...
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Dec 2, 2012 9:45pm
I don't want Fowler and Hamilton in the same OF
I'd trade for Morse
I'd trade for Morse
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Dec 2, 2012 9:48pm
I agree with you. Fowler isn't the ideal guy, but I do think the premise of needing to use Bailey as the chip to secure a quality OF, preferably one with a friendly contract, makes sense.
I've seen other people throw out combos of Leake, Stubbs and a prospect for someone. Bottom line, those first two guys have zero value. They are more valuable to the Reds right now because there is no cost to just hoping for a miracle that both become useful.
I've seen other people throw out combos of Leake, Stubbs and a prospect for someone. Bottom line, those first two guys have zero value. They are more valuable to the Reds right now because there is no cost to just hoping for a miracle that both become useful.