Archive Cincinnati Reds Off-Season Thread

osu45804

Posts: 6,188

Oct 11, 2012 5:36pm

Up 2-0 & lose 3 straight at home (first time all season) to get bounced from the playoffs...

What changes do you see being made? Dusty fired? Stubbs, Rolen gone? Any potential Free Agents the Reds should look at?

Discuss...

Azubuike24

Posts: 15,933

Oct 11, 2012 5:44pm

Free Agents
Scott Rolen - 100% gone
Ryan Madson - I can see them signing him to another 1-year deal, with incentives
Jonathan Broxton - Likely gone
Ryan Ludwick (mutual option, agreement on 5M/1 year), Reds will agree, Ludwick won't, likely gone
Miguel Cairo - 100% gone
Dioner Navarro - 100% gone

Arbitration Eligible
Mat Latos - I see him getting a long-term deal, before Bailey does
Wilson Valdez - Likely will be back
Bill Bray - Who knows
Homer Bailey - I can see the Reds trying to deal him or sign him long-term
Xavier Paul - Average chance of being back

I do think Stubbs, Bailey, Heisey and possibly a few others will be potential trade candidates.

Rotinaj

Posts: 7,699

Oct 11, 2012 5:56pm

Why dont you think ludwick will want to come back?

Azubuike24

Posts: 15,933

Oct 11, 2012 5:59pm

He wants back, but they have to agree on that option. Not at 1-year, 5M, he'll decline his part. I've heard/read figures that he's going to be looking for anywhere from 2-3 years at 7-8M per year. I've seen 2 years/15M is what it likely takes for him to come back to Cincy, despite him being from the area.

If you're the Reds, you can't afford to pay him that with Latos and Bailey both nearing pay day. I definitely see them looking at Ludwick but there are plenty of other OF options out there as well.

Azubuike24

Posts: 15,933

Oct 11, 2012 6:02pm

Counting committed cash and projected figures if guys get arb. (and don't sign new deals), the Reds are already at 93M minus those 6 unrestricted free agents.

That's why I see Bailey being trade bait given his value skyrocketing the 2nd half of this year. Also, the team will pay Latos (and they should) over Bailey, but both don't get long-term deals. I can also see them maybe dealing Arroyo if someone would be willing to bite.

Rotinaj

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Oct 11, 2012 6:11pm

Have they said if Chapman will be a starter next year?

Azubuike24

Posts: 15,933

Oct 11, 2012 6:12pm

Rotinaj;1292968 wrote:Have they said if Chapman will be a starter next year?

They would be crazy if he is...he's the best closer in the league.

Rotinaj

Posts: 7,699

Oct 11, 2012 6:20pm

Azubuike24;1292969 wrote:They would be crazy if he is...he's the best closer in the league.

Ehhh I'd like to see what he can do as a starter.

IggyPride00

Posts: 6,482

Oct 11, 2012 6:35pm

Ludwick earned himself some extra cash in this playoff round by playing as well as he did. Coming off a season of 26 homers and 80 RBI's with a solid playoff series he is going to be able to get more than the 1/$5 million dollar option deal on the open market.

I agree with whoever said it would likely be 2 years at about $15 million to retain him. For that they will probably let him walk as he is going to be 35 next year and I doubt he is able to repeat his output from this year.

They have too many other salary commitments to keep someone like him around for anymore than the price of the option year.

ernest_t_bass

Posts: 24,984

Oct 11, 2012 6:35pm

Rotinaj;1292972 wrote:Ehhh I'd like to see what he can do as a starter.

I'd rather have him available every night.

Azubuike24

Posts: 15,933

Oct 11, 2012 6:43pm

Well, that didn't take long.

JIM BOWDEN ‏@JimBowdenESPNxm Reds plan to turn 3B over to Todd Frazier in 2013 and Scott Rolen probably retiring after a long successful Gold Glove All Star career.

Azubuike24

Posts: 15,933

Oct 11, 2012 6:54pm

John Fay ‏@johnfayman Jocketty will meet with Baker and the coaches tomorrow. He said he expects all to return. #reds

karen lotz

Posts: 22,284

Oct 11, 2012 7:11pm

Not sure who this guy is...

@G_SKyserJr: It's early, but according to my sources within the #Reds organization, Dusty Baker will not be back as #Reds manager. His deal has expired

ernest_t_bass

Posts: 24,984

Oct 11, 2012 7:23pm

Not sure who this guy is...

@mokey31: It's early, but according to my sources, Dusty Baker has killed himself, because he is a douchebag.

se-alum

Posts: 13,948

Oct 11, 2012 7:41pm

Don't want Bailey traded. Do want Stubbs traded for literally anything, anything in the world. I'm ok with letting Luddy go unless they can get him for the 5 mill. We're going to need a utility man to replace Cairo(should've been done long ago). Can't see Chapman starting unless he can master the slider, and build a lot of endurance. He had two stints this year where he needed extended rest for arm fatigue.

jordo212000

Posts: 10,664

Oct 11, 2012 7:45pm

We need another starter. Make Chapman a starter and bring back Madson

Cueto
Latos
Chapman
Bailey
Arroyo

Best rotation top to bottom there.

* Deal Leake for whatever we can get?
* Billy Hamilton should be CF and hit lead off

Hamilton
Phillips
Votto
Ludwick
Bruce
Frazier
Hanigan
SS / Cozart

Azubuike24

Posts: 15,933

Oct 11, 2012 8:10pm

Hamilton, I'll almost guarantee doesn't see the field until July at the earliest.

One guy who is a FA and will be someone who can be had at a reasonable price is Angel Pagan. Gasp. After this damn series. However, he can play CF, will be somewhat reasonable in-terms of price and can hit at the top of the order.

xKoToVxSyNdRoMe

Posts: 1,054

Oct 11, 2012 8:24pm

Don't want to see them give Bray a deal. Just don't think he is worth the hassle with as much as he is hurt.

gerb131

Posts: 9,932

Oct 11, 2012 9:41pm

Chapman doesn't have enough pitches to be a starter.
Dusty will be back. 1 yr deal or they don't renew due to "health reasons"

justincredible

Posts: 32,056

Oct 12, 2012 10:43am

Azubuike24;1292969 wrote:They would be crazy if he is...he's the best closer in the league.

I think that title belongs to Kimbrel, but Chapman is a close second. And I agree with you. I used to be in the Chapman for starter camp but not anymore.

Azubuike24;1292987 wrote:Well, that didn't take long.

JIM BOWDEN ‏@JimBowdenESPNxm Reds plan to turn 3B over to Todd Frazier in 2013 and Scott Rolen probably retiring after a long successful Gold Glove All Star career.

Great, but expected, news.

Azubuike24;1292993 wrote: John Fay ‏@johnfayman Jocketty will meet with Baker and the coaches tomorrow. He said he expects all to return. #reds

I love Price and Speier, I do think Dusty is a great manager even with his flaws, but Jacoby is a turd.

Azubuike24;1293047 wrote:Hamilton, I'll almost guarantee doesn't see the field until July at the earliest.

One guy who is a FA and will be someone who can be had at a reasonable price is Angel Pagan. Gasp. After this damn series. However, he can play CF, will be somewhat reasonable in-terms of price and can hit at the top of the order.

Someone that would be more expensive but I've wanted them to get for a while now is Michael Bourn. Isn't his contract up with Atlanta?

xKoToVxSyNdRoMe;1293050 wrote:Don't want to see them give Bray a deal. Just don't think he is worth the hassle with as much as he is hurt.

Agreed.

karen lotz

Posts: 22,284

Oct 12, 2012 11:07am

Yeah Bourn's contract is up. He's a Boras guy but was bad the second half. Might not be as expensive as he would have been in June. Still too much for Atlanta.

HitsRus

Posts: 9,206

Oct 12, 2012 11:25am

wow.....just a note of sincere condolences from a long suffering Tribe fan here. I haven't been following the playoffs much this year (too painful after watching the Indians' massive collapse). Reds have always been my NL team...I really thought you guys had a shot

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