So..you were proven how you are acting like an idiot..and how big of a hypocrite you are..yet..I need my money back? Please provide proof! Links please? Don't you have another site to start up so it can be a complete failure like your other one?

Get ready folks, I think they're gonna throw down!

"Get over it....we ARE going to pass this bill,it's going to help this nation,and we will retain both houses in congress(perhaps even increase our majorities)"

In case you haven't been keeping up on current events, the country's biggest problem is the economy/job situation, how on earth is a job killing bill like this going to help me or anyone else out? I couldn't give a crap about having health insurance if I can't pay my mortgage and put food on the table, a situation which unfortunately a lot of Americans are in. This WILL result in higher taxes, both on employers and employees, if the idea is to push real unemployment towards 20% than they may accomplish their mission.

I'm man enough to not go to the doctor if I have a runny nose, I can't stomach losing my house under any circumstances. This current political class is so far out of touch I'm not sure we're ever going to recover from it.

Oh yeah..good call too..can't back pedal anymore..so you TRY to attack someone? LOL Pathetic much?

GoChiefs wrote: So..you were proven how you are acting like an idiot..and how big of a hypocrite you are..yet..I need my money back? Please provide proof! Links please? Don't you have another site to start up so it can be a complete failure like your other one?

I KNEW it!!!

I was proven wrong??? News to me

Was my site a failure??? Yep....just like the Republican Party

manhattan... do you have proof for these claims??

Health Care Reform is a job killer
It will result in higher taxes'
People are going to loose their homes because of health care reform

Proven wrong about you being a hypocrite? Why, yes...yes you were. See post #64.

Well fellas...its been fun and all...but i have much more important things to do...

Yeah, I'm an employer, I know how much it costs to employ people, there is no way we won't face higher taxes anyway due to our deficit situation, but this is going to be backbreaking. It is a job killer, and its lose, not loose fella (sorry, that really bothers me for some reason, I'm normally not a grammar nazi but again that one really bothers me.... it isn't difficult..you LOSE a game or your house, loose refers to how tight or lack thereof a knot is, among other definitions which I won't discuss, I know so many otherwise smart people that screw that up often, it isn't difficult especially if you're a sports fan).

Elliot Stabler wrote: Well fellas...its been fun and all...but i have much more important things to do...

Thank you..take your ball and go home. You lose. But thanks for playing.

Yep...I lose

I'll be sad until December 24th 2009 at roughly 7:00pm

Wow, Elliot got himself logic-raped in this thread.

Pounded like a railroad spike.

As for my statement about how Medicare will end up being rationed under this plan, read this piece from the Wall Street Journal that talks about a cost savings commission that is almost certainly going to be a part of this bill.

And pay close attention to the section toward the bottom where they talk about a similar program in Washington that is already strictly limiting (denying care) for procedures that are taken for granted right now.

Those cuts are a preview of what we'll be seeing under Obamacare. It's the same thing that's happening in England and other places that have bureaucrats in charge of "cost savings".

And before you go there: Medicare already routinely denies more procedures than private insurance companies. Here's the link to a story and the study. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Stats-show-private-insurers-deny-fewer-claims-than-Medicare-78544697.html

Here's the link to the WSJ piece. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703792304574504020025055040.html

Well..at least there's one fact you'll be happy to admit to. And I don't care about your 'December 24th' comment. I haven't made my thoughts on it known. For all you know..I could be just as happy as you about it..or I might not be. I don't argue politics. Sorry. I just read the politics forum..very rarely do I post on it..just hated seeing you being all hypocritical on here so I thought I'd better call you out on it. Have a great evening.

writer..are those FACTUAL links or just links of someone's opinion?

This development is a sad day for America. What an awful bill.

Alright, the kid has been blasted enough, remember guys, no personal attacks.

GoChiefs wrote: writer..are those FACTUAL links or just links of someone's opinion?

Both, actually. Opinion pieces that document their arguments (and mine).

Does anybody else have an "Obama Care..... Stop him!" banner at the top of this page? lol

ccrunner609 wrote: You guys have to realize that Elliot is still in college.
Sitting in a classroom all day being brainwashed by some liberal professor that has a boner for Obama.

Once he gets a real job, a house, sees the bottom line of his paycheck, works hard for what he gets (I hope) and then sees the government pound his ass he will change his tune.

This opinion that EVERY SINGLE PROFESSOR is liberal is so far off that it's not even funny

I would say more than half of my profs where conservative. I even had one that told me I was being brainwashed by my parents and I should read Rush Limbaugh to help fix my mind.The liberal profs I have had and my parents never pushed their political views on me,I formed my opinions on my own. So cut that shit out

Something else that pisses me off is the opinion that when college students graduate,we automaticlly become Republicans. I can tell you with certainty that I will NEVER be a Republican.

So what your saying cc is that I'm not going to have a real job and I'm going to be poor and be on welfare??

^^^^^^Dont say never, I leaned pretty left in College, now not so much. Some issues like abortion I do, but fiscally I lean farther right than I ever thought I would! You will be amazed at how much you change as you age! So never say never! LOL Now, this bill scares me!

Elliot Stabler wrote:

ccrunner609 wrote: You guys have to realize that Elliot is still in college.
Sitting in a classroom all day being brainwashed by some liberal professor that has a boner for Obama.

Once he gets a real job, a house, sees the bottom line of his paycheck, works hard for what he gets (I hope) and then sees the government pound his ass he will change his tune.

This opinion that EVERY SINGLE PROFESSOR is liberal is so far off that it's not even funny

I would say more than half of my profs where conservative. I even had one that told me I was being brainwashed by my parents and I should read Rush Limbaugh to help fix my mind.The liberal profs I have had and my parents never pushed their political views on me,I formed my opinions on my own. So cut that shit out

Something else that pisses me off is the opinion that when college students graduate,we automaticlly become Republicans. I can tell you with certainty that I will NEVER be a Republican.

So what your saying cc is that I'm not going to have a real job and I'm going to be poor and be on welfare??

If you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 40, you have no head! - Sir Winston Churchill

Yeah, I felt the same way when I was young (I'd never be conservative).

Funny how things change when you mature and get smarter.

ccrunner609 wrote: When you are in college you dont own anything, when you look at your paycheck you look at your Net pay. When you are my age you look at the gross pay and realize that every 2 weeks you are missing over $1,000 in taxes. At that point you start to think things could be better if you could actually enjoy YOUR MONEY.

You may not get to enjoy $2,000 per month, but other people sure are!
Oh wait...

I meant, that other people NEED that money!

Really... I don't own anything or pay any bills cc

Let's see:
I have my own apartment
I have DirectTV
I have my own car
I pay my own way through school

Looks like I make quite a bit of money and am doing just fine.

Only had to take out one student loan and it was only for $850,and it's already been paid off

Another thing...

You guys act like 90% of people on welfare WANT to be on it. If they could avoid it...they would

Are there people who abuse the system? Sure there are,but there are alot more that need these programs to survive.

Ok that's enough.