Con_Alma;1245396 wrote:Where the power exists doesn't change the fact that I can't do what I want as you previously stated.

it is completely relavent where power exists for it is with the people.

Con_Alma;1245397 wrote:They are not artificial. They exist just as they are defined in the incorporation papers. Their economic rights are different than that of a person.

make contracts, hire, fire, borrow, lend, sue as does an economic person even though they are artifical entities created by government.

gut;1245420 wrote:Yeah, but there have been crashes and deaths in other years (and that's just commercial, freight and private/charter is a different story). Like I said, you don't need more regulation to make the risk absolutely zero.

As for 9-yr olds working 12 hours days...no one ever held a gun to their head, well except maybe their parents (and I hope you don't own an IPhone or a pair of nikes). Funny how you keep blaming corporations for the decisions of people you want to make choices for and give handouts to (which is pretty much the liberal agenda). Granted, we probably do need to protect some of those people from their own incompetence.

gosh which one of your family members are you willing to sacrifice to save $5 on an airline ticket.
Again we see the reason for regulation of corporations, since they are conscienceless and soulless value added is all that is important, not the exploitation of children. In America we forced them to stop doing it by government regulation even though it may have made prices rise.

isadore;1245436 wrote:it is completely relavent where power exists for it is with the people.

Whether the power is with the people or with the governmetn, I can't do what I want as you previously stated.

isadore;1245439 wrote:make contracts, hire, fire, borrow, lend, sue as does an economic person even though they are artifical entities created by government.

The differences are numerous including taxation levels, corporate veils protecting investors, liability limitations. Their rights and responsibilities are different than individuals. If they weren't there woudl be no reason to have them.

They truly exist making them far from artificial. They are very real.

Con_Alma;1245496 wrote:The differences are numerous including taxation levels, corporate veils protecting investors, liability limitations. Their rights and responsibilities are different than individuals. If they weren't there woudl be no reason to have them.

They truly exist making them far from artificial. They are very real.

Yes corporations are different than sole proprietorships and partnerships. They are offered exclusivities that in my opinion have deleterious effects on the free market system. Over the past twenty years or so, the government has done a good job in a few areas in limiting corporate's ability to circumvent unfair advantages..in particular, the corporate veil which used to mean zero liability for the management for malfeasance. More should be done in this area, as an inordinant number of corporate executives continue to escape criminal prosecution for blatant fraud as we have seen in the banking industry.

But really it isn't even the concept of incorporating businesses that has intelligent people pissed. It is the size and by default, the ability corporations have to muscle into the fairness that existed in Adam Smith's model of truly free market thinking. It no longer exists. Antitrust laws be damned. Oligopolies are the norm in big corporates. And this unmitigating power now has a disproportionate stranglehold on government. The corporatacracy that runs rampant today protects the corporate interests...especially for the globalists...and not the interests of the American people.

Con_Alma;1245495 wrote:Whether the power is with the people or with the governmetn, I can't do what I want as you previously stated.

people are the ultimate power in our representative democracy.

Con_Alma;1245496 wrote:The differences are numerous including taxation levels, corporate veils protecting investors, liability limitations. Their rights and responsibilities are different than individuals. If they weren't there woudl be no reason to have them.

They truly exist making them far from artificial. They are very real.

rights granted by government to these artifical entities to act as persons, making the corporation responsible, taxing their income, giving their investors limited liability.

isadore;1245560 wrote:people are the ultimate power in our representative democracy.

...and yet I can't do what I want as you previously stated.

isadore;1245565 wrote:rights granted by government to these artifical entities to act as persons, making the corporation responsible, taxing their income, giving their investors limited liability.

The act as corporations not persons. They are very real.

Con_Alma;1245673 wrote:The act as corporations not persons. They are very real.

artifiical flowers are real. corporations are artifical entities, created by government and given the privilege to act as an economic person.

Con_Alma;1245672 wrote:...and yet I can't do what I want as you previously stated.

power belongs to the people

isadore;1245692 wrote:power belongs to the people

..and yet I can't do what I want like you previously stated. The only way I could is if all the power was mine.

isadore;1245690 wrote:artifiical flowers are real. corporations are artifical entities, created by government and given the privilege to act as an economic person.

That can do more than an economic person in some areas and less in others. It's nto the same. Have the ability to do anything makes them very real.

Con_Alma;1246032 wrote:..and yet I can't do what I want like you previously stated. The only way I could is if all the power was mine.

all the ultimate power is to the people.

Con_Alma;1246033 wrote:That can do more than an economic person in some areas and less in others. It's nto the same. Have the ability to do anything makes them very real.

created by government, they can hire, fire, buy, sell, make contracts, have taxes on income and their property, like a person, artifically created economic person.

isadore;1246044 wrote:created by government, they can hire, fire, buy, sell, make contracts, have taxes on income and their property, like a person, artifically created economic person.

But like the gays they cannot marry.

isadore;1246044 wrote:created by government, they can hire, fire, buy, sell, make contracts, have taxes on income and their property, like a person, artifically created economic person.

Yes, they also have differences of which were pointed out earlier. They are not the same. If they were there would be no need to utilize them.

isadore;1246043 wrote:all the ultimate power is to the people.

... and yet I can't do what you said I could.

sleeper;1246045 wrote:But like the gays they cannot marry.

but they can merge

Con_Alma;1246059 wrote:... and yet I can't do what you said I could.

people have the power to determine the laws,

Con_Alma;1246058 wrote:Yes, they also have differences of which were pointed out earlier. They are not the same. If they were there would be no need to utilize them.

the government of course created these artifical entities with the attributes of an economic person. the advantages of this government created persons attracted investors who liked its protections.

isadore;1246157 wrote:people have the power to determine the laws,

No matter if the have such power or don't. I can't do what I want as you previously stated.

isadore;1246166 wrote:the government of course created these artifical entities with the attributes of an economic person. the advantages of this government created persons attracted investors who liked its protections.

...and yet they truly exist and exist different from people. They are real. They are not people.

Con_Alma;1246266 wrote:No matter if the have such power or don't. I can't do what I want as you previously stated.

as I stated power ultimately belongs to the people