dwccrew;1177792 wrote:Why did you present the question and ask for people's thoughts only to get upset and defensive when people post their thoughts?

Considering how he also started talking about how all the 23 year olds follow him around while bragging about his knowledge, I'm guessing he must be thinking the rule alterations/changes/enforcement means he can audition to be be !THE NEXT NCF!.

Apparently he's forgetting that NCF's "puppet master" dealie only lasted as long as it did because he was pals with JJ, so nothing really got done about him until the Bucknutz people took over and realized they didn't want to deal with the million or two complaints NCF was generating from others. Being an obnoxious douche when you don't have friends in high places...not such a good idea.

I don't think this trade is going to happen :/

Heretic;1177819 wrote:Considering how he also started talking about how all the 23 year olds follow him around while bragging about his knowledge, I'm guessing he must be thinking the rule alterations/changes/enforcement means he can audition to be be !THE NEXT NCF!.

Apparently he's forgetting that NCF's "puppet master" dealie only lasted as long as it did because he was pals with JJ, so nothing really got done about him until the Bucknutz people took over and realized they didn't want to deal with the million or two complaints NCF was generating from others. Being an obnoxious douche when you don't have friends in high places...not such a good idea.

Oh please!. Stop it with your sanctimonious crap. People want to take shots...but when the target fires back, the masses cry to momma. Same with you Heretic. You want to discuss a topic? Or do you only want to cry because I harp on the immature, 23 year olds here?

And lookie above...Dead Warrior didn't have the balls to discuss a topic of mine. Why is that? Instead he amuses the crowd with a piece of satire. What a pussy.

pnhasbeen;1177142 wrote:If you don't want to do that then using an average for run support isn't very significant.

It is very significant. Major League Baseball statistics are different than your professor throwing out your 2 worst test scores in order to help you pass. When my son was in college and told me about this practice, I laughed my ass off.

In the real world, you produce or you're gone. Unlike the college crap today, there are no do overs. The 23 year old crowd will understand this after they toss their tassels into the air.

ohiobucks1;1177831 wrote:I don't think this trade is going to happen :/

No, but Perez for Youk is now all the "pure rage".

Footwedge;1177976 wrote:It is very significant. Major League Baseball statistics are different than your professor throwing out your 2 worst test scores in order to help you pass.

You used an example like "a batter doesn't throw out an 0-9 performance" which is true. However, Ubaldo only has 8 starts. Besides those two games, his highest in the other SIX is only 5 runs. And his average is 5.3. When the sample size is only 8, then taking out the outliers allows for more significant results when it comes to how much support he's actually getting. As more and more starts come, we can see what happens to his average. Right now his average is 5.3, but most logical people who have read this thread understand that when you take in his entire body of work this year(only 8 starts), that 5.3 number is actually pretty misleading.

It is reasons like this that people don't always use the mean. So I'll give you some more numbers.
Median: 4
Mode: 4

In a case like this with these outliers, the median is probably a better number to use.

But you'll probably come back with some bullshit rationale and ignore the cold hard, mathematical facts that I have laid out for you and call me 23 years old and be the same old douche that you are. You are wrong wedgie, accept it.

Footwedge;1177964 wrote:Oh please!. Stop it with your sanctimonious crap. People want to take shots...but when the target fires back, the masses cry to momma. Same with you Heretic. You want to discuss a topic? Or do you only want to cry because I harp on the immature, 23 year olds here?

And lookie above...Dead Warrior didn't have the balls to discuss a topic of mine. Why is that? Instead he amuses the crowd with a piece of satire. What a pussy.

You mean how you were crying to Wes in the Indians thread about me?

You're such a hypocritical ass hat. You're proof as to why your generation is fucking over America for the rest of us.

hoops23;1178030 wrote:You mean how you were crying to Wes in the Indians thread about me?

You're such a hypocritical ass hat. You're proof as to why your generation is fucking over America for the rest of us.

Well...you have an obsession with me...I can't help that....but you can. Whenever I post...you magically appear. Give it a rest already.

And...I have hung out on 3 boards for over 10 years...some more than others. And you are first motherfucker that I ever told the mods about. So how does that make you feel? You need to back the fuck off. It all started when I kicked your ass in educating you on how PoonTawn Jamison ruined the team that year. I pwned you...and you've been obsessed ever since.

Do yourself a favor, and quit following me around like a dog sniffing assholes.

pnhasbeen;1178022 wrote:You used an example like "a batter doesn't throw out an 0-9 performance" which is true. However, Ubaldo only has 8 starts. Besides those two games, his highest in the other SIX is only 5 runs. And his average is 5.3. When the sample size is only 8, then taking out the outliers allows for more significant results when it comes to how much support he's actually getting. As more and more starts come, we can see what happens to his average. Right now his average is 5.3, but most logical people who have read this thread understand that when you take in his entire body of work this year(only 8 starts), that 5.3 number is actually pretty misleading.

It is reasons like this that people don't always use the mean. So I'll give you some more numbers.
Median: 4
Mode: 4

In a case like this with these outliers, the median is probably a better number to use.

But you'll probably come back with some bullshit rationale and ignore the cold hard, mathematical facts that I have laid out for you and call me 23 years old and be the same old douche that you are. You are wrong wedgie, accept it.

Listen up. You erroneously posted Ulbaldo's run support...which brought out all the lulz from the OC jumpaboards. Your numbers were not only wrong...but they were way wrong. I found time to check your math...and I busted you. Plain and simple.

You want "the cold heart mathematical stats" as you call it...then here it is....

We are not talking means, modes or medians. We are talking run support. That's it. RUN SUPPORT for Ubaldo. That's it!!. I busted you, and then you attempt to change the rules on the debate. Sorry, but you lose.

Ubaldo's run support is 5.375 per game...about 1.2 runs higher than the rest of the collective starting staff. Your half assed effort to try to justify your flawed logic is a disgrace...Admit you fucked up..and then move along. Until you do, you are nothing but a complete fraud that has no business debating sports and mathematical statistics.

Footwedge;1178188 wrote:Well...you have an obsession with me...I can't help that....but you can. Whenever I post...you magically appear. Give it a rest already.

And...I have hung out on 3 boards for over 10 years...some more than others. And you are first motherfucker that I ever told the mods about. So how does that make you feel? You need to back the fuck off. It all started when I kicked your ass in educating you on how PoonTawn Jamison ruined the team that year. I pwned you...and you've been obsessed ever since.

Do yourself a favor, and quit following me around like a dog sniffing assholes.

I will be more than happy to go through the thread and quote you and how you addressed me FIRST.

But keep spinning old man. That brain is getting more cynical with age.

As for me being the first, I'm happy. I'm glad to know that I get to you so badly on the internet.

Just for reference Wedgie, this was the first post in that thread that one of us referenced the other... Notice, it was YOU who came at me.

Footwedge;1176020 wrote:*yesterday's
*today's

Don't bitch about my grammar or typing.....ever.

Thanks for playing.

Footwedge;1178208 wrote:Listen up. You erroneously posted Ulbaldo's run support...which brought out all the lulz from the OC jumpaboards. Your numbers were not only wrong...but they were way wrong. I found time to check your math...and I busted you. Plain and simple.

You want "the cold heart mathematical stats" as you call it...then here it is....

We are not talking means, modes or medians. We are talking run support. That's it. RUN SUPPORT for Ubaldo. That's it!!. I busted you, and then you attempt to change the rules on the debate. Sorry, but you lose.

Ubaldo's run support is 5.375 per game...about 1.2 runs higher than the rest of the collective starting staff. Your half assed effort to try to justify your flawed logic is a disgrace...Admit you fucked up..and then move along. Until you do, you are nothing but a complete fraud that has no business debating sports and mathematical statistics.

You do realize that the erroneously posted stat actually changed in MY favor, right? They weren't way wrong. You just can't fucking read. I did a split stat you ignorant fuck. My original post gave you the run support for games Ubaldo starts, Indians win. And Ubaldo starts, Indians lose. Now, it's obvious from this thread that your old ass is so narrow minded and short sighted that you merely look at one number and base everything off of that. But those that have brains that aren't diminished by old age understand that baseball isn't a game you can judge by one stat.

Oh yeah, and this whole not talking about mean, median, and mode, this is about run support. Guess what dumbass? Run support is a NUMBER which means the mean, median, and mode actually do have a part in understanding it. You're probably just too old to bother with understanding how that one number you oh so love is found.

The original statement you made:

Footwedge;1173891 wrote:No offense Hoop....but I would be 5-2 with Ubaldo's run support. Let me know when your cousin Ubaldo breaks 5.00 in his ERA.

I actually ignored the ignorance of thinking you're worth a fuck because I understood what you meant. I then went ahead to show that you are fucking stupid. You are saying that he should have a better record because of his run support, but when they lose with him on the mound, he IS NOT GETTING RUN SUPPORT. That shouldn't be hard, even for a dumbfuck like yourself, to understand. You are focused on one fucking number that isn't very important. The two outliers that make his run support seem so high, were games he WON. The fact of the matter is, in the games the Indians have lost with him on the mound, they have scored 4, 2, 2, and 5 runs. And once again, that average is only 3.25 runs per game. Which is below that number you said was the Indians average.

Your failure to look at more than just a single number is the reason you continually fail at this thread. You focused on Teixeira's batting average, Perez's save numbers, and Ubaldo's run support. You ignored all the other key components to this complex game.

I know you're going to come back with some stupid bullshit that "it's one number, blah blah blah." But you are saying if he was good, he would win more games with run support. There's only ONE time this entire season where the Indians scored MORE than their season average and Ubaldo lost. ONCE. All your bitching about his run support is fucking stupid.

Put your glasses on old man and see if you can understand all that. I'm sure it will go over your head.