Pick6;1098956 wrote:I've never said society isnt getting softer or bullying is worse now. I dont buy either of those statements. I just get annoyed at the "kids these days" statements that the generation who raised them are making!

Maybe a more appropriate statement would be "parents these days"!

Fab1b;1098943 wrote:Um columbine was what late 90's. I graduated in 94. Tell me how many school shootings took place - 94. Not saying there wasnt any however since columbine it has happened a ton. Early 90's is when guns really started becoming a problem then xploded in 2000's, maybe it's media coverage however I never thought of bringing a gun to school!!

Guns are not the problem.

WebFire;1098977 wrote:Guns are not the problem.

Gun owner here I know its not the gun, its the person. I just don't get where and why kids turned to guns to solve their issues!

Fab1b;1098943 wrote:Um columbine was what late 90's. I graduated in 94. Tell me how many school shootings took place - 94. Not saying there wasnt any however since columbine it has happened a ton. Early 90's is when guns really started becoming a problem then xploded in 2000's, maybe it's media coverage however I never thought of bringing a gun to school!!

hmm

An April 30, 1866 editorial in the New York Times argued against students carrying pistols, citing "...pistols being dropped on the floor at balls or being exploded in very inconvenient ways. A boy of 12 has his pantaloons made with a pistol pocket; and this at a boarding-school filled with boys, who, we suppose, do or wish to do the same thing. We would advise parents to look into it, and learn whether shooting is to be a part of the scholastic course which may be practiced on their boys; or else we advise them to see that their own boys are properly armed with the most approved and deadly-pistol, and that there may be an equal chance at least of their shooting as of being shot."[19]

WebFire;1098977 wrote:Guns are not the problem.

Clearly they are and I can't wait until the day they are banned for good.

/liberal'd

justincredible;1098983 wrote:Clearly they are and I can't wait until the day they are banned for good.

/isadore'd

LJ maybe it was we just didn't hear about it if it didn't happen close to home. We didn't have social media and the net, 24hr live news channels and access to news from all over the country or world. I don't know its tragic whenever this happens but I will still call it what it is, it's a bitch move by a scared individual that didn't have the confidence or self esteem to stand up and defend themselves the right way. Suicide, murder, and or both is not the damn answer!

Fab1b;1098988 wrote:LJ maybe it was we just didn't hear about it if it didn't happen close to home. We didn't have social media and the net, 24hr live news channels and access to news from all over the country or world. I don't know its tragic whenever this happens but I will still call it what it is, it's a bitch move by a scared individual that didn't have the confidence or self esteem to stand up and defend themselves the right way. Suicide, murder, and or both is not the damn answer!

The media is why we hear about it

May 18, 1927 Bath, Michigan School treasurer Andrew Kehoe, after killing his wife and destroying his house and farm, blew up the Bath Consolidated School by detonating dynamite in the basement of the school, killing 38 people, mostly children. He then pulled up to the school in his Ford car, then blew the car up, killing himself and four others. Only one shot was fired in order to detonate dynamite in the car. This was deadliest act of mass murder at a school in the United States.

LJ;1098979 wrote:An April 30, 1866 editorial in the New York Times argued against students carrying pistols, citing "...pistols being dropped on the floor at balls or being exploded in very inconvenient ways. A boy of 12 has his pantaloons made with a pistol pocket; and this at a boarding-school filled with boys, who, we suppose, do or wish to do the same thing. We would advise parents to look into it, and learn whether shooting is to be a part of the scholastic course which may be practiced on their boys; or else we advise them to see that their own boys are properly armed with the most approved and deadly-pistol, and that there may be an equal chance at least of their shooting as of being shot."[19]

haha.....pantaloons....

LJ;1098979 wrote:An April 30, 1866 editorial in the New York Times argued against students carrying pistols, citing "...pistols being dropped on the floor at balls or being exploded in very inconvenient ways. A boy of 12 has his pantaloons made with a pistol pocket; and this at a boarding-school filled with boys, who, we suppose, do or wish to do the same thing. We would advise parents to look into it, and learn whether shooting is to be a part of the scholastic course which may be practiced on their boys; or else we advise them to see that their own boys are properly armed with the most approved and deadly-pistol, and that there may be an equal chance at least of their shooting as of being shot."[19]

That's something you wouldn't see out of the media today.

Fab1b;1098943 wrote:Um columbine was what late 90's. I graduated in 94. Tell me how many school shootings took place - 94. Not saying there wasnt any however since columbine it has happened a ton. Early 90's is when guns really started becoming a problem then xploded in 2000's, maybe it's media coverage however I never thought of bringing a gun to school!!

Just from the school shootings referenced on Wikipedia:

1940s: 11 U.S. school shootings, 13 dead, 4 more wounded
1950s: 15 U.S. school shootings, 10 dead, 9 more wounded
1960s: 10 U.S. school shootings, 32 dead, 37 more wounded
1970s: 4 U.S. school shootings, 13 dead, 23 more wounded
1980s: 13 U.S. school shootings, 20 dead, 140 more wounded
1990s: 15 U.S. school shootings, 37 dead, 75 more wounded

Also, a Harvard School of Public Health survey in 1990 found that 4% of high school students had taken a gun to school.

GOONx19;1099010 wrote:Just from the school shootings referenced on Wikipedia:

1940s: 11 U.S. school shootings, 13 dead, 4 more wounded
1950s: 15 U.S. school shootings, 10 dead, 9 more wounded
1960s: 10 U.S. school shootings, 32 dead, 37 more wounded
1970s: 4 U.S. school shootings, 13 dead, 23 more wounded
1980s: 13 U.S. school shootings, 20 dead, 140 more wounded
1990s: 15 U.S. school shootings, 37 dead, 75 more wounded

Also, a Harvard School of Public Health survey in 1990 found that 4% of high school students had taken a gun to school.

I guess it goes back to us just not hearing about it unless it was in your direct area. Also maybe because we were outside and about, in sports, etc....and not in front of computers, TV's, and video game consoles, or have smart phones in our pockets as kids so we weren't directed to these type of stories????? I don't know, I don't have the answers but the I do know the world is as crazy as ever!!

The second kid who died was the guy who was dating the shooter's ex-girlfriend. It makes me wonder if one of the girls who was shot was the ex-girlfriend. Some have said that he targeted the kids all sitting at a single cafeteria table so the ex may have been there. One girl was shot in the buttocks as he left the cafeteria.


EDIT:
WHLO is reporting a third kid has died.

Third student has died, according to channel 5

Was just reported on twitter that a third victim has died.

Sad to hear!!

How doesn't this guy deserve a bullet right now?

Fab1b;1099025 wrote:I guess it goes back to us just not hearing about it unless it was in your direct area. Also maybe because we were outside and about, in sports, etc....and not in front of computers, TV's, and video game consoles, or have smart phones in our pockets as kids so we weren't directed to these type of stories????? I don't know, I don't have the answers but the I do know the world is as crazy as ever!!

Again who's fault is that? Maybe if the PARENTS of those kids didn't buy them those things and didn't let them spend all day on them it wouldn't be a problem. Also you claim that kids should stand up for himself and fight back? You know what happens the kids who fights back will most likely get picked on more and if he really stands up for himself and actually hits whoever is bullying him he most likely going to set suspended/expelled(depending on what happens probably have charges pressed against him because the bullies parents will force it. I know because it happened to me. I was a senior in high school pretty had gotten picked on ever since I moved to Ohio in the 5th grade.(And well before I moved to Ohio as well lol). But we had a lifting class and I was in there with a bunch of football players a few of them liked to really make fun of me and one kid always kept bringing up and making fun of me for missing out on going to state in cross country by 2 seconds. One day I'd had enough and just let it all loose and tackled him and got about 5 good punches in before I was thrown off him. I broke his nose and jaw. I was suspended for 5 days and had to do 100 hours of community service.

Again kids these days are not the problem with pussifing America its the childrens parents who are in your generation who have done things to make that happen. (Buying their kids whatever they want, taking things out of school, taking scoring out of youth leagues, giving everyone one a trophy, molesting kids so parents are more afraid to let there kids go outside, etc.) I mean there are countless things different from when I was kid and I'm only 25.

Also I think its great we have the media oulet we do now to hear about all this stuff. I think the more we hear about it the more we can take the steps to hopefully make sure it doesn't happen again.

You know what Turtles? I will NOT disagree with you at all! I said I don't have the answers and you make very valid points. I don't know what has happened to MY generation then since we are the parents now. But for whatever reason it is, society and the world has changed and not for the better IMO. For whatever the reasons may be and they may be endless we can't argue Society as a whole is much weaker and softer than used to be or maybe that I can remember.

^^^^^, I hate the no tolerance policy schools have on fighting. No matter what the circumstances, any punch thrown gets you suspended. Its laws and policies like this that lead to some of our problems.

redstreak one;1099112 wrote:^^^^^, I hate the no tolerance policy schools have on fighting. No matter what the circumstances, any punch thrown gets you suspended. Its laws and policies like this that lead to some of our problems.

Agree as well there are time a beating will be and should be justifiable!

i dont have kids but as an educator, friend, and family member of those who do i see many people who want to raise their kids right and teach them how we were taught and some actually do, others only think they do. and i say this because in the time we live in many people dont spend time with their kids. sometimes its not their fault because both parents work full time. sometimes two jobs. so your kid ends up getting raised in daycare and by their teachers at school, or tv, or facebook, or videogames. plain and simple you have to spend time with your kids not just money.

^great post as well

Fab1b;1099107 wrote:You know what Turtles? I will NOT disagree with you at all! I said I don't have the answers and you make very valid points. I don't know what has happened to MY generation then since we are the parents now. But for whatever reason it is, society and the world has changed and not for the better IMO. For whatever the reasons may be and they may be endless we can't argue Society as a whole is much weaker and softer than used to be or maybe that I can remember.

I am in complete agreement with you about everything you've said I just hated you were placing all the blame on my generation. I doubt any of it will change with my generation though it just seems like society has changed and it is definitely not for the better.

The deceased:



Daniel Parmertor, 16. Parmertor was waiting in the cafeteria for his daily 15-minute bus ride to a vocational school where he studied computer science when the was shot. Parmertor was the first confirmed victim.




Russell King, Jr., 17. Russell [LEFT]was described by students as a sociable kid who got along well with people. A friend, Nate Mueller, said Russell had begun dating a former girlfriend of T.J. Lane, the suspected shooter. But Nate said there was no indication that Russell's relationship with the girl was a motive in the shooting. Nate, who was sitting at a table in the cafeteria with his friends, including Russell, when the volley of shots erupted, said his friend slumped facedown on the table in a pool of blood. "He was shot in the back," said Nate.

[/LEFT]

Demetrius Hewlin