mallymal614;1096807 wrote:It looks like I'm going to have to be a Indiana fan for a day. If they can knock off Michigan State at home and then we get a win at East Lansing, a Big Ten title is still possible.

Tiger2003;1096809 wrote:Haha keep dreaming.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=320590084

ccrunner609;1099763 wrote:Dragging out another teams post player to the perimeter and shooting uncontested 3's does not make you a face up shooter. In the NBA he is going to try to shoot over a player that is just as big and way faster and athletic then him.

Oh really?

Mulva;1099706 wrote:I think you overrate the lottery. That's 14 picks every season. Maybe 2-3 of them will be legitimate superstars, another 3-4 might be occasional all-stars. That leaves, at best, 7 guys a year who will likely be role players or worse.

Yes, but I also think those role players are drafted with the hope. Im not sure I see Sully being anything more than a role player. I wouldnt draft him knowing thats the limit.

ccrunner609;1099845 wrote:yeah....other teams bigs drag out and play 2-3 foot off to allow him to shoot unconstested. He would shoot 15% if they D him up or he has to create his own shot.

do tell more

centralbucksfan;1099509 wrote:Defense in the NBA? Do you really think they give a rats ass about that? LOL Ask Gene Keady what he thought about defense in the NBA when he assisted.
If Sully isn't 6'9", then Thomas is lucky to be 6'5". You listed Thomas at 6'9" a couple days ago. I go to every game, when they stand next to eachother, there is a significant difference in height.

Mulva;1099633 wrote:Sullinger measured 6'10 in shoes (which probably add 1-1.5 inches) with a 7'1 wingspan at the Amare Camp last summer.

Sullinger is not 6'9". I've stood next to him. Brian Windhorst was at the game Saturday and said Sully and Thomas are the same height and that it's good for one and bad for the other.

And even if Sullinger is 6'9" he doesn't play like it. There is such a huge difference in big man play from college to the NBA.

And to say no defense is played in the NBA is idiotic.

Those of you who enjoy watching Wisky play might have a change of heart after tonight's show. Those "Runnin' Badgers " were 12/39 from the field and 22/29 from the free throw line. 12 FGS!!!! Awesome..

Prescott;1099963 wrote:Those of you who enjoy watching Wisky play might have a change of heart after tonight's show. Those "Runnin' Badgers " were 12/39 from the field and 22/29 from the free throw line. 12 FGS!!!! Awesome..

And they won by 7. That game was a joke. Thank God I had IU-MSU during the first half and Vandy-Florida during the 2nd.

mallymal614;1099774 wrote: http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=320590084

I was say keep dreaming about the Bucks winning at MSU. It may happen but I dont think the odds are good.

thedynasty1998;1099867 wrote:Sullinger is not 6'9". I've stood next to him. Brian Windhorst was at the game Saturday and said Sully and Thomas are the same height and that it's good for one and bad for the other.

And even if Sullinger is 6'9" he doesn't play like it. There is such a huge difference in big man play from college to the NBA.

And to say no defense is played in the NBA is idiotic.

So, which is it...is he or isn't he?

thedynasty1998;1099867 wrote:Sullinger is not 6'9". I've stood next to him. Brian Windhorst was at the game Saturday and said Sully and Thomas are the same height and that it's good for one and bad for the other.

And even if Sullinger is 6'9" he doesn't play like it. There is such a huge difference in big man play from college to the NBA.

And to say no defense is played in the NBA is idiotic.

LMAO, ya ok smart guy. Coming from someone who has been nothing but wrong since last year (wont' miss Diebler) to this year, I'll take that to heart.

ccrunner609;1099763 wrote:Dragging out another teams post player to the perimeter and shooting uncontested 3's does not make you a face up shooter. In the NBA he is going to try to shoot over a player that is just as big and way faster and athletic then him.

So Wisconsin's bigs aren't face up shooters? That's some of the worst logic I've ever heard.

centralbucksfan;1100078 wrote:LMAO, ya ok smart guy. Coming from someone who has been nothing but wrong since last year (wont' miss Diebler) to this year, I'll take that to heart.

He also said Sully would be a 5 in the NBA and should have put on more weight. :laugh:

ccrunner609;1099845 wrote:yeah....other teams bigs drag out and play 2-3 foot off to allow him to shoot unconstested. He would shoot 15% if they D him up or he has to create his own shot.

Also, you're confusing face up shooter with shot creator.

centralbucksfan;1100078 wrote:LMAO, ya ok smart guy. Coming from someone who has been nothing but wrong since last year (wont' miss Diebler) to this year, I'll take that to heart.

I did nothing but praise Diebler last year. I was highly critical years before. And we are talking about someone's height, which isn't a matter of opinion.

Automatik;1100146 wrote:He also said Sully would be a 5 in the NBA and should have put on more weight. :laugh:

He will be a five, and absolutely should have bulked up. That's not even up for debate now is it?

thedynasty1998;1101113 wrote:I did nothing but praise Diebler last year. I was highly critical years before. And we are talking about someone's height, which isn't a matter of opinion.



He will be a five, and absolutely should have bulked up. That's not even up for debate now is it?

I'm going to have to disagree on both points.

I'm a little late on this but Wes Unseld (Louisville) was "only" 6'6" or 6'7" played center in the NBA and did not jump well. Different era but Sullingers skill set in a lot of ways reminds me of Unseld. Unseld more than held his own against Wilt, Russell, and Jabbar, to name a few. Sullinger just needs to learn to play hard all the time if he is going to be any good at the next level, I don't question his talent as much as his work ethic and heart. Another old school guy he could be like is Moses Malone who was around 6'9". He learned to shoot from the perimeter better as his Hall of Fame career progressed, the difference between him and Sully, Moses was relentless especially on the offensive boards.

0311sdp wrote:the difference between [Moses Malone] and Sully, Moses was relentless especially on the offensive boards.

The difference between Moses Malone and Sully is not how relentless Malone was on the offensive boards. If that's the case, then the difference between Wilt Chamberlain and Mason Plumlee is that Chamberlain was black.

reclegend22;1103021 wrote:The difference between Moses Malone and Sully is not how relentless Malone was on the offensive boards. If that's the case, then the difference between Wilt Chamberlain and Mason Plumlee is that Chamberlain was black.

lol Moses Malone.."fo, fo and fo" :laugh:

reclegend22;1103021 wrote:The difference between Moses Malone and Sully is not how relentless Malone was on the offensive boards. If that's the case, then the difference between Wilt Chamberlain and Mason Plumlee is that Chamberlain was black.

Malone like Sullinger was not a great athlete, he was a product of out working the opposition (did you even ever see him play?) I fail to see how the ridiculous comparison with Chamberlain and Plumlee has anything to do with Sullinger and my comparing him to Moses Malone. I did NOT say that he was as good as Malone, I said that they have a similar skill set with the major difference being how hard Malone played compared to Sully's sometimes layed back approach. I only brought up Malone and Unseld to make a point to all the people who are saying Sullinger can't play at the next level that it has already been done by players who had no more size or athletic ability than Sullinger. I have been very critical of Sullinger in other threads but I won't go so far as to say that he can never play at the next level, but I will say that he will have to consistantly play much harder than he does now. In my opinion effort is the only major flaw in his game that will keep him from making a lot of money in the NBA. So reclegend22 if you've ever seen Unseld and Malone actually play (which I highly doubt) stand them at 19 or 20 years old beside Sullinger and tell me where they were better.

0311sdp;1103681 wrote:Malone like Sullinger was not a great athlete, he was a product of out working the opposition (did you even ever see him play?) I fail to see how the ridiculous comparison with Chamberlain and Plumlee has anything to do with Sullinger and my comparing him to Moses Malone. I did NOT say that he was as good as Malone, I said that they have a similar skill set with the major difference being how hard Malone played compared to Sully's sometimes layed back approach. I only brought up Malone and Unseld to make a point to all the people who are saying Sullinger can't play at the next level that it has already been done by players who had no more size or athletic ability than Sullinger. I have been very critical of Sullinger in other threads but I won't go so far as to say that he can never play at the next level, but I will say that he will have to consistantly play much harder than he does now. In my opinion effort is the only major flaw in his game that will keep him from making a lot of money in the NBA. So reclegend22 if you've ever seen Unseld and Malone actually play (which I highly doubt) stand them at 19 or 20 years old beside Sullinger and tell me where they were better.

My main point is that you should never put Sully in the same sentence as Moses Malone, an NBA 50 greatest player. And you have just done it fives times in the above post alone. And, no, I did not see Malone live. But I have watched enough NBA Hardwood Videos to know that even bringing up Moses Malone's name was hilarious.

Moses Malone scored nearly 30,000 career points in the NBA, averaging 31 per game for a season during his prime. Having never even seen Malone play, I can tell you that he possessed, even at 20, a more natural and versatile ability to score than Sullinger. You don't end up the seventh or eighth leading NBA scorer in history without that type of skill set.

reclegend22;1103697 wrote:My main point is that you should never put Sully in the same sentence as Moses Malone, an NBA 50 greatest player. And you have just done it fives times in the above post alone. And, no, I did not see Malone live. But I have watched enough NBA Hardwood Videos to know that even bringing up Moses Malone's name was hilarious.

Moses Malone scored nearly 30,000 career points in the NBA, averaging 31 per game for a season during his prime. Having never even seen Malone play, I can tell you that he possessed, even at 20, a more natural and versatile ability to score than Sullinger. You don't end up the seventh or eighth leading NBA scorer in history without that type of skill set.

No he did not possess that skill at 20 years old, he came into the NBA straight out of high school. As he matured he developed a face up jump shot and became a force in the NBA and was also fortunate enough to play on a 76er team which was an elite team for much of his career (Bobby Jones, Julies Erving, Mo Cheeks, Charles Barkley) I'm old enough that I watched and was a fan of Malone his whole career and saw him play live in Cleveland. I do agree with you that Sullinger will probably never be the ball player that Malone was but that was not my point. My point in bringing up Malone and Unseld was that you don't have to have great athletic ability or great size to be a good player. Sullinger has as much natural ability as both of those guys, what he does with that ability is up to him and so far he has underachieved. I never meant to imply in any way that Sullinger is going to be a hall of fame type player but I think if he stays in school and works on getting in better shape (stamina) and develops more of an offensive game than just run over people that he can have a decent NBA career. He probably can come closer to Unseld ( a great rebounder and passer, average scorer) than Malone. I'm just saying that he will be drafted when he comes out and if he is willing to put in the work he will be a decent NBA player, if not he'll be the washout that so many think he will be. You're correct that at this point in his career he does not belong in the same sentence as Malone but at 19-20 years old you would be surprised how similar they play. I really don't think we are that far apart in our evaluation of Sullinger, the difference is that I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he will get better and you're more at he has reached his ceiling and what we see now is all that he'll ever be. We'll see in 3-5 years down the road.

He did not possess

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