Raw Dawgin' it
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Jun 10, 2014 3:36pm
Probably used in the transition off of TRT. Honestly, they could cut him, Wandy, and Vitor and I wouldn't care.sportchampps;1624684 wrote:Horrible I'll be watching fox tonight to hear his explanation.
robj55
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Jun 10, 2014 3:57pm
From my understanding they are drugs used to kick start testosterone once coming off TRT or steroid abuse. Two problems: He didn't disclose either of them and they are illegal.
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jmog
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Jun 10, 2014 4:03pm
So Wanderlei refuses to take a test (considered a failed test) and is replaced with a known doper in Vitor. Then Sonnen fails a test and Vitor will have a hard time getting licensed by the NSAC and I ASSUME they will test him and he will fail as well.robj55;1624675 wrote:Chael Sonnen fails random drug test, pulled from fight with Vitor.
So, what else could POSSIBLY go wrong with this main event? I believe that Dana can't be this stupid to not know that this would happen with these 3 guys when TRT was banned by the NSAC.
robj55
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Jun 10, 2014 4:12pm
It's not the main event but yes this entire thing is just a mess. Maybe this will lead to the random drug testing everyone out of competition. Hopefully something good will come out of it. Chael is a liar and a massive hypocrite though.jmog;1624698 wrote:So Wanderlei refuses to take a test (considered a failed test) and is replaced with a known doper in Vitor. Then Sonnen fails a test and Vitor will have a hard time getting licensed by the NSAC and I ASSUME they will test him and he will fail as well.
So, what else could POSSIBLY go wrong with this main event? I believe that Dana can't be this stupid to not know that this would happen with these 3 guys when TRT was banned by the NSAC.
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sportchampps
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Jun 10, 2014 9:56pm
Dana White sounds like he is backing Chael on this one
Fab1b
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Jun 10, 2014 10:10pm
freaking Sonnen SMH
robj55
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Jun 10, 2014 10:10pm
Of course he is, they will just mark it off as a disclosure issue, even though Chael already had that in 2010, sad. He knows what is legal and not legal and he knows he must disclose.sportchampps;1624883 wrote:Dana White sounds like he is backing Chael on this one
Pick6
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Jun 10, 2014 10:12pm
smart business move.sportchampps;1624883 wrote:Dana White sounds like he is backing Chael on this one
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I Wear Pants
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Jun 11, 2014 12:38pm
Though to be fair they do have a point about not being able to stop TRT cold turkey without some potentially serious consequences.robj55;1624892 wrote:Of course he is, they will just mark it off as a disclosure issue, even though Chael already had that in 2010, sad. He knows what is legal and not legal and he knows he must disclose.
robj55
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Jun 11, 2014 12:52pm
Yeah then he shouldn't have taken a fight and tried to apply for a license to fight, he never would have been tested if that were the case.I Wear Pants;1625081 wrote:Though to be fair they do have a point about not being able to stop TRT cold turkey without some potentially serious consequences.
Raw Dawgin' it
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Jun 11, 2014 1:31pm
I Wear Pants;1625081 wrote:Though to be fair they do have a point about not being able to stop TRT cold turkey without some potentially serious consequences.
This. Why accept a fight when you're on two banned substances? Why book fighters who were on TRT instead of giving them months to get clean?robj55;1625090 wrote:Yeah then he shouldn't have taken a fight and tried to apply for a license to fight, he never would have been tested if that were the case.
robj55
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Jun 11, 2014 1:41pm
Also, why not be in constant communication with the athletic commissions and work hand in hand with them? Seems like they always try and go around them and end up getting burned by it. Chael says he had tried to contact the commission constantly with no success, not sure I buy that.Raw Dawgin' it;1625116 wrote:This. Why accept a fight when you're on two banned substances? Why book fighters who were on TRT instead of giving them months to get clean?
Raw Dawgin' it
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Jun 11, 2014 1:59pm
They have wallet sized print out cards with a list of banned substances. There is zero excuse to accept a fight while taking them. I don't get why the UFC backs him but throws other fighters under the bus for getting pinched by the NSAC.robj55;1625120 wrote:Also, why not be in constant communication with the athletic commissions and work hand in hand with them? Seems like they always try and go around them and end up getting burned by it. Chael says he had tried to contact the commission constantly with no success, not sure I buy that.
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sportchampps
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Jun 11, 2014 2:42pm
I actually read he admitted to taking a third substance as well. I watched Chael reasoning and it will be interesting to see how they handle his appeal.
His explanation is basically the drugs he took are banned but are not performance enhancing. He says the rules are that unless it's fight night you can have banned substances that are not performance enhancing in your system. He says you just can't have those on fight night. He basically liked it to weed, ibuprofen, or Vicodin. He says your allowed those in your system as long as it's not fight night but they are banned substances. He also says a different lab did these tests and never gave him any paper to sign disclosing these banned substances like the other labs always do.
His explanation is basically the drugs he took are banned but are not performance enhancing. He says the rules are that unless it's fight night you can have banned substances that are not performance enhancing in your system. He says you just can't have those on fight night. He basically liked it to weed, ibuprofen, or Vicodin. He says your allowed those in your system as long as it's not fight night but they are banned substances. He also says a different lab did these tests and never gave him any paper to sign disclosing these banned substances like the other labs always do.
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I Wear Pants
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Jun 11, 2014 2:47pm
I thought he hadn't applied for a license at the time of the test.robj55;1625090 wrote:Yeah then he shouldn't have taken a fight and tried to apply for a license to fight, he never would have been tested if that were the case.
robj55
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Jun 11, 2014 7:56pm
And just like that Chael retires.
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Zoltan
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Jun 11, 2014 8:55pm
Smart move for him, Dana has said many times how much FOX executives love him. He can get plenty of TV work. It also lets him distance himself from his second PED bust. Without serving any suspension it will be like it never happened.robj55;1625254 wrote:And just like that Chael retires.
Pick6
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Jun 11, 2014 9:13pm
It's a bitch way out, IMO. Go out on a good note.Zoltan;1625266 wrote:Smart move for him, Dana has said many times how much FOX executives love him. He can get plenty of TV work. It also lets him distance himself from his second PED bust. Without serving any suspension it will be like it never happened.
OSH
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Jun 11, 2014 10:14pm
I won't miss him.
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sportchampps
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Jun 11, 2014 10:35pm
You won't miss him because he will be all over the UFC still
robj55
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Jun 11, 2014 11:07pm
Pretty obvious he's retiring because he can't compete without being on testosterone, makes his whole career a joke really.
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Zoltan
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Jun 11, 2014 11:20pm
robj55;1625293 wrote:Pretty obvious he's retiring because he can't compete without being on testosterone, makes his whole career a joke really.
Pretty much agree but he is 37 so it's not like it's a total cop out.
bigdaddy2003
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Jun 12, 2014 12:36pm
Raw Dawgin' it
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Jun 12, 2014 1:18pm
constant promoter. Anderson would smash him.
bigdaddy2003
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Jun 12, 2014 1:24pm
^ Agreed and I hope to see it.