Raw Dawgin' it
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Jan 24, 2012 2:03pm
lol so which one isn't elite then?SportsAndLady;1064137 wrote:Did I say those 4 QBs are elite?
No. I did not.
I said I think of elite as the 2 or 3 best at their position.
Then I said Eli is not better than Manning, Brees, Brady, or Rodgers.
Comprende'?
SportsAndLady
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Jan 24, 2012 2:59pm
Brady and Rodgers are elite.Raw Dawgin' it;1064141 wrote:lol so which one isn't elite then?
Raw Dawgin' it
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Jan 24, 2012 3:25pm
lol but the guy who crushed Marinos' passing record isn't. gtfoSportsAndLady;1064221 wrote:Brady and Rodgers are elite.
SportsAndLady
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Jan 24, 2012 4:15pm
Stafford came pretty close, didn't he? Do you consider him elite? lolRaw Dawgin' it;1064271 wrote:lol but the guy who crushed Marinos' passing record isn't. gtfo
Heretic
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Jan 24, 2012 4:21pm
http://www.theonion.com/articles/eli-manning,27109/
This breaks down the pros-and-cons of Eli quite nicely.
This breaks down the pros-and-cons of Eli quite nicely.
Laley23
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Jan 24, 2012 4:25pm
Peyton?SportsAndLady;1064221 wrote:Brady and Rodgers are elite.
Also, Brees to this date > Rodgers to this date.
Raw Dawgin' it
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Jan 24, 2012 4:32pm
lol you're not comparing Brees to Stafford? Give me a break. Is stafford on pace to break Unitis' TD pass record too?SportsAndLady;1064341 wrote:Stafford came pretty close, didn't he? Do you consider him elite? lol
lol brees and manning aren't elite....wow smh
Skyhook79
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Jan 24, 2012 4:57pm
Brees and P. Manning are not Elite but Rogers is. Is it the discount double check commercials that put Rogers over the top for you? smh But I am not really surprised by this considering the source.SportsAndLady;1064221 wrote:Brady and Rodgers are elite.
If there can only 2 Elite QB's at one time who was Elite and who wasn't when Elway,Montana,Marino and Kelly were playing?
SportsAndLady
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Jan 24, 2012 5:01pm
I'd probably put Brees as that 3rd elite player. Again, if 5 players at a position are elite, that kinda contradicts the definition of elite. I define elite as the top 2 maybe top 3 at their position. Obviously Manning would be there if not for all these injury complications. I guess thats sort of a cop-out for me but I mean it's true, how can you put someone at the top of their position if he hasn't played in over a year? And may never play again?Laley23;1064350 wrote:Peyton?
Also, Brees to this date > Rodgers to this date.
I feel like you guys are freaking out over this lol it's just one man's opinion on elite status in the NFL. Brees, Rodgers, Manning, and Brady are ridiculous players at their position, some of the best we've ever seen...and all 4 of them are playing at the same time. Just because Brees may be outside of Brady and Rodgers for me doesn't mean I still don't consider him one of the best to play the position.
SportsAndLady
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Jan 24, 2012 5:04pm
No i'm saying if you're going to say Brees should be up there because he broke a record, shouldn't STafford be up there since he came like a hundred yards short of that record?Raw Dawgin' it;1064364 wrote:lol you're not comparing Brees to Stafford? Give me a break. Is stafford on pace to break Unitis' TD pass record too?
lol brees and manning aren't elite....wow smh
And I never said "brees and manning aren't elite"...I'm saying Manning is elite but the guy may never play football again; and if he comes back and isn't the same old Manning, then what? And Brees, I guess I would put at that 3rd elite status. But being behind Rodgers and Brady doesn't exactly mean he's shit lol
So i'll summarize:
Elite:
Brady
Rodgers
Brees
Would be elite if he played:
Manning
Just behind elite status:
Eli
SportsAndLady
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Jan 24, 2012 6:07pm
Breakdown of Super Bowl rosters:
By college (schools represented by more than one player):
6 -- Boston College
5 -- Rutgers
4 -- Florida, Fresno State, LSU, Miami, Michigan, Virginia
3 -- Arkansas, Michigan State, Mississippi, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Purdue, Tennessee, Troy
2 -- Akron, Alabama, Arizona State, California, Connecticut, Illinois, Iowa, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oregon, South Florida, TCU, UCLA
By conference:
23 -- SEC
22 -- Big Ten
19 -- ACC
15 -- Big East, Pac-12
5 -- Big 12, Conference USA, MAC, WAC
4 -- Sun Belt
3 -- Mountain West
By college (schools represented by more than one player):
6 -- Boston College
5 -- Rutgers
4 -- Florida, Fresno State, LSU, Miami, Michigan, Virginia
3 -- Arkansas, Michigan State, Mississippi, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Purdue, Tennessee, Troy
2 -- Akron, Alabama, Arizona State, California, Connecticut, Illinois, Iowa, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oregon, South Florida, TCU, UCLA
By conference:
23 -- SEC
22 -- Big Ten
19 -- ACC
15 -- Big East, Pac-12
5 -- Big 12, Conference USA, MAC, WAC
4 -- Sun Belt
3 -- Mountain West
BearBoy69
Posts: 291
Jan 24, 2012 11:17pm
Elite:
Brady
Brees
Peyton Manning
Rodgers
BIG BEN
Brady
Brees
Peyton Manning
Rodgers
BIG BEN
Laley23
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Jan 24, 2012 11:53pm
Nope.BearBoy69;1064694 wrote:Elite:
Brady
Brees
Peyton Manning
Rodgers
BIG BEN
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Jan 25, 2012 12:06am
take your blinders off old man...big ben is top 10..not top 5BearBoy69;1064694 wrote:Elite:
Brady
Brees
Peyton Manning
Rodgers
BIG BEN
hasbeen
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Jan 25, 2012 12:15am
He also thinks tebow will be a qb for years to come. Slow.
LJ
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Jan 25, 2012 12:27am
nvm
Raw Dawgin' it
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Jan 25, 2012 8:07am
gtfoBearBoy69;1064694 wrote:Elite:
Brady
Brees
Peyton Manning
Rodgers
BIG BEN
Skyhook79
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Jan 25, 2012 9:20am
Elite QB's:
Brady
P Manning
Brees
Rogers
E. Manning
You cannot spell Elite without Eli.:thumbup:
Brady
P Manning
Brees
Rogers
E. Manning
You cannot spell Elite without Eli.:thumbup:
like_that
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Jan 25, 2012 9:37am
If Eli has finally grown passed the "hey, I am going to throw 4-6 ints this game" stage of his career, then yeah I would consider him elite.
BearBoy69
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Jan 25, 2012 10:35am
If Eli is elite then so is Cam Newton.
Other note: Even if Ben is not elite, he is def still top five, 2 SB rings, 3 appearances, a healthy Big Ben is dangerous, right now he makes that offense
Other note: Even if Ben is not elite, he is def still top five, 2 SB rings, 3 appearances, a healthy Big Ben is dangerous, right now he makes that offense
Laley23
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Jan 25, 2012 11:23am
Championships dont make you elite. I fucking hate that shit. Stats weigh more imo. Ben falls well short on elite status.BearBoy69;1065009 wrote:If Eli is elite then so is Cam Newton.
Other note: Even if Ben is not elite, he is def still top five, 2 SB rings, 3 appearances, a healthy Big Ben is dangerous, right now he makes that offense
Automatik
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Jan 25, 2012 11:45am
What about come from behind wins?Laley23;1065074 wrote:Championships dont make you elite. I fucking hate that shit. Stats weigh more imo. Ben falls well short on elite status.
When you combine is record and stats Roethlisberger is definitely in the "elite" category IMO. He's not quite up there w/ Brady, Rodgers, Brees or Manning....but right after them. I'd say he is in the 2nd tier of QBs, right along with Eli.
DeyDurkie5
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Jan 25, 2012 12:59pm
fixed it for ya and that alone makes you not eliteBearBoy69;1065009 wrote:If Eli is elite then so is Cam Newton.
Other note: Even if Ben is not elite, he is def still top five, 2 SB rings, 3 appearances, a healthy Big Ben is dangerous, raping bitches, right now he makes that offense
BearBoy69
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Jan 25, 2012 1:52pm
'Automatik;1065109 wrote:What about come from behind wins?
When you combine is record and stats Roethlisberger is definitely in the "elite" category IMO. He's not quite up there w/ Brady, Rodgers, Brees or Manning....but right after them. I'd say he is in the 2nd tier of QBs, right along with Eli.
For once i agree with you... i must be going crazy!
and DeyDurkie.... i cant say anything because that made me ROFL
BearBoy69
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Jan 25, 2012 1:54pm
It should be taken into consideration. You better have had a helluva good career w/o any championships to be elite.Laley23;1065074 wrote:Championships dont make you elite. I ****ing hate that ****. Stats weigh more imo. Ben falls well short on elite status.
The only reason i am rooting against Eli is because it'd be a crime if he had more rings than Peyton. Eli only wishes to be as good as Peyton