SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 23, 2012 11:16pm
Because I watch the games and don't see Lance Moore catching 10 yard passes and turning them into 80 yard TDs? lolLaley23;1063588 wrote:Yeah, but why is Cruz making Manningham....but Brees is making Lance Moore or Rodgers making James Jones? Cant be one way for one team and not the same for the other.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 23, 2012 11:20pm
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I mean come on lol
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I mean come on lol
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 23, 2012 11:20pm
Thats ridiculous. I posted the YAC. Manning didnt benefit more than any of them. Hell he was probably last. Brady and Brees arent elite because their WR/RB/TE catch the ball and run.SportsAndLady;1063590 wrote:Because I watch the games and don't see Lance Moore catching 10 yard passes and turning them into 80 yard TDs? lol
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Jan 23, 2012 11:25pm
You probaly should before you say something like Green Bay has a MLB team or a Black QB has never won a Super Bowl.SportsAndLady;1063577 wrote:Skyhook says he's elite, now I must give up
Cuz it's not like being elite is of opinion or anything...
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 23, 2012 11:29pm
Those videos dont really show anything. All teams benefit from guys busting long runs. Gronk had 0842583 of them this year. Welker had a bullshit 99 yarder as well. Jahvid Best took a screen like 60 something yards. Sproles had 40 thousand catches in the backfield and probably had over 1000 yards receiving lol. Jordy Nelson had a short catch and took it another 80 yards.
EDIT: Just looked, Darren Sproles caught 86 passes for 710 yards. He had a YAC of 703. So he basically took dump offs and screens from Brees and gave him 700 more yards. Maybe Marino should protest.
EDIT: Just looked, Darren Sproles caught 86 passes for 710 yards. He had a YAC of 703. So he basically took dump offs and screens from Brees and gave him 700 more yards. Maybe Marino should protest.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 23, 2012 11:51pm
Ehh whatever..I probably would keep going back and forth with you laley, but I literally can't stand any argument involving skyhook, so I'm out of this. Eli is not top 5 in my mind.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 23, 2012 11:52pm
Lol, fair enough.SportsAndLady;1063620 wrote:Ehh whatever..I probably would keep going back and forth with you laley, but I literally can't stand any argument involving skyhook, so I'm out of this. Eli is not top 5 in my mind.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jan 24, 2012 12:01am
Eli is absolutely an elite QB. He has as much of an argument for next in line after Brady, Brees, and Manning as anyone else.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 24, 2012 12:06am
I think of elite as top 2, mayyyybe top 3. And he's not touching Manning, Brady, Brees, or Rodgers.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 24, 2012 12:08am
Just curious. If he shreds NE for a title, like 400 yrds and 3 TDs or something, what would your opinion be?SportsAndLady;1063633 wrote:I think of elite as top 2, mayyyybe top 3. And he's not touching Manning, Brady, Brees, or Rodgers.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 24, 2012 12:09am
And for the record I kind of agree. But we are very lucky to have Brady and Manning. They go beyond Elite. They go into historic.SportsAndLady;1063633 wrote:I think of elite as top 2, mayyyybe top 3. And he's not touching Manning, Brady, Brees, or Rodgers.
Brees
Rodgers
Eli
are the 3 elite guys for me.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 24, 2012 12:10am
Do those 400 yards and 3 TDs come from (3) 80 yard TD passes?Laley23;1063635 wrote:Just curious. If he shreds NE for a title, like 400 yrds and 3 TDs or something, what would your opinion be?
But seriously, I don't know. It's a team sport. He wouldn't be where he is without that d-line. The Patriots are there solely because of Brady. That's why I think Brady is elite and Eli isn't.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 24, 2012 12:13am
Kind of, as in for the season Brady has done more for sure. But in the game that got them there...Brady looked like he had money on the Ravens. Eli did more in that game.SportsAndLady;1063638 wrote:Do those 400 yards and 3 TDs come from (3) 80 yard TD passes?
But seriously, I don't know. It's a team sport. He wouldn't be where he is without that d-line. The Patriots are there solely because of Brady. That's why I think Brady is elite and Eli isn't.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Jan 24, 2012 6:09am
So of those 4 which one (maybe 2) is/are not elite then?SportsAndLady;1063633 wrote:I think of elite as top 2, mayyyybe top 3. And he's not touching Manning, Brady, Brees, or Rodgers.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Jan 24, 2012 8:51am
Eli's performance on Sunday absolutely put him in the elite category. The guy was physically pounded by SF and still hung 300+ on them. Maybe the toughest single game performance by a QB of all time. Can't see how NE is favored by 3 in this one. The NYG rush will give Brady fits but he is elite too and usually figures out a way to stay to keep the game close. This game will be a slobberknocker.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Jan 24, 2012 9:00am
Yet you list the 4 best QBs in the league nice contradiction.SportsAndLady;1063633 wrote:I think of elite as top 2, mayyyybe top 3. And he's not touching Manning, Brady, Brees, or Rodgers.
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MontyBrunswick
Jan 24, 2012 9:36am
He also threw the ball 58 times, which certainly doesn't hurt your ability to throw 300 yards. Especially when they couldn't establish a run game.Tiernan;1063777 wrote:The guy was physically pounded by SF and still hung 300+ on them.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Jan 24, 2012 10:05am
no one runs on SF though.dlazz;1063807 wrote:He also threw the ball 58 times, which certainly doesn't hurt your ability to throw 300 yards. Especially when they couldn't establish a run game.
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MontyBrunswick
Jan 24, 2012 1:09pm
You're failing to see the point. He had 300 yards because that's all they had to rely on.Raw Dawgin' it;1063841 wrote:no one runs on SF though.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 24, 2012 1:13pm
Is it off set cause it was raining the whole game?dlazz;1064058 wrote:You're failing to see the point. He had 300 yards because that's all they had to rely on.
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MontyBrunswick
Jan 24, 2012 1:26pm
Irrelevant. I'm saying that it's not out of the ordinary that a pro quarterback threw the ball 58 times and achieved 300 yards passing.Laley23;1064061 wrote:Is it off set cause it was raining the whole game?
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Jan 24, 2012 1:57pm
a lot of guys do it with 20 less attempts so i'd say it is out of the ordinary. He got it done against the best defense in the league, and it's no so much the amount of times he threw but the amount of completions he made.dlazz;1064082 wrote:Irrelevant. I'm saying that it's not out of the ordinary that a pro quarterback threw the ball 58 times and achieved 300 yards passing.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Jan 24, 2012 2:01pm
Keep watching Womens Basketball because you know nothing about football sparky.dlazz;1064082 wrote:Irrelevant. I'm saying that it's not out of the ordinary that a pro quarterback threw the ball 58 times and achieved 300 yards passing.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 24, 2012 2:02pm
Skyhook79;1063729 wrote:So of those 4 which one (maybe 2) is/are not elite then?
Did I say those 4 QBs are elite?Raw Dawgin' it;1063786 wrote:Yet you list the 4 best QBs in the league nice contradiction.
No. I did not.
I said I think of elite as the 2 or 3 best at their position.
Then I said Eli is not better than Manning, Brees, Brady, or Rodgers.
Comprende'?
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MontyBrunswick
Jan 24, 2012 2:03pm
Exactly.Raw Dawgin' it;1064131 wrote:a lot of guys do it with 20 less attempts so i'd say it is out of the ordinary
Just punching holes in Tierdouche's argument. 300+ yards when you throw the ball 58 times isn't impressive. It should happen.