LJ;1056539 wrote:What do you mean "LOL what?"

Why do you have to belong to a specific organized religion to have faith? What if someone believes there is a God and believe in the Pauline Epistles? They obviously don't belong to an organized religion, yet they have faith.

LJ;1056539 wrote:What do you mean "LOL what?"

Why do you have to belong to a specific organized religion to have faith? What if someone believes there is a God and believe in the Pauline Epistles? They obviously don't belong to an organized religion, yet they have faith.

Steel Valley Football;1056180 wrote:There are effects of prayer that are not fully understood. Much like people who beat cancer due to positive outlooks and attitudes, which science has no explanation for. Another similar phenomenon is that married people live longer, which also has no scientific reasoning behind it.

friendfromlowry;1056547 wrote:From one of the few people with a medical background on this forum, I think you need to leave this stuff alone. Thousands of people die every day of heart disease, cancer, HIV/AIDs, etc...do you think any of them had positive outlooks/attitudes and prayed and had faith? I can tell you from experience that they did, yet still died -- sometimes at a very young age, from a very painful death, with families left behind. So for every person that can be said they survived because of a positive outlook, there are literally thousands more who didn't.

That's my biggest quarrel with religion. You can be the holiest sumbitch out there -- but at the end of the day, you've got the same odds for the good and the bad as anyone else. Several months ago I had a 30-something year old male as a patient, laying in his hammock one day. A tree branch snaps off and falls on his chest, separating his right lung from his trachea. He makes it to surgery but doesn't survive long. He leaves behind a wife and two young children. Now I don't know anything personally about this guy - whether he was a religious folk or the complete opposite - but if there is a God, I'm pretty pissed off when I meet him having just endured that and what I leave behind.

I Wear Pants;1056540 wrote:You're saying they didn't have or put religious beliefs in the bible? Explain all the talk about Judaism, etc all over the bible then. Because organized religion is all throughout it.

And I said organized religion, not just the Catholic Church.

The Equalizer;1056549 wrote:Wow, Torquemada would be proud of some of the folks in this thread. Some of us pray for patience when we have to explain ourselves and our beliefs to people who never will get it nor try to.

I Wear Pants;1056544 wrote:So what parts of the bible would a person like that believe to be true and what parts would be not true and how would they decide?

friendfromlowry;1056547 wrote:From one of the few people with a medical background on this forum, I think you need to leave this stuff alone. Thousands of people die every day of heart disease, cancer, HIV/AIDs, etc...do you think any of them had positive outlooks/attitudes and prayed and had faith? I can tell you from experience that they did, yet still died -- sometimes at a very young age, from a very painful death, with families left behind. So for every person that can be said they survived because of a positive outlook, there are literally thousands more who didn't.

That's my biggest quarrel with religion. You can be the holiest sumbitch out there -- but at the end of the day, you've got the same odds for the good and the bad as anyone else. Several months ago I had a 30-something year old male as a patient, laying in his hammock one day. A tree branch snaps off and falls on his chest, separating his right lung from his trachea. He makes it to surgery but doesn't survive long. He leaves behind a wife and two young children. Now I don't know anything personally about this guy - whether he was a religious folk or the complete opposite - but if there is a God, I'm pretty pissed off when I meet him having just endured that and what I leave behind.

LJ;1056551 wrote:The Catholic Church is the first organized religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Judaism is an organized religion based on the Torah that was formed after the original writings.

The actual belief that all people who believe belong to a specific organized religion is, as you say "bullshit"

I Wear Pants;1056556 wrote:No, I'm saying that if you believe in the bible then you believe in what is a product of organized religion.

There seems to be this trendy idea of getting away from organized religions (because of many reasons that we all know) yet still following the bible. But it was a product of organized religions. You can't deny that.

LJ;1056553 wrote:The parts that they use their own mind to decide? What else?

LJ;1056560 wrote:I can, because that is not true. Neither statement.

You never answered my question, yet I have answered all of yours.

sleeper;1056554 wrote:
I don't mean to offend anyone here, but that's just how I feel. Don't take it personally.

sleeper;1056546 wrote: Faith is still a cop out and a mental handicap.

I Wear Pants;1056561 wrote:What metrics would they be using is what I'm getting at. How is passage A anymore reliable and believable than passage B? What makes one real and the other not? Especially when they've come from the same places.

I Wear Pants;1056562 wrote:Which question?

LJ;1056563 wrote:Yeah, ok

sleeper;1056500 wrote:I hope you reproduce.

Good day.

LJ;1056566 wrote:I can't think of any real metric to use so I'm going to post this vague answer about leaving it up to faith.

sleeper;1056571 wrote:I'm a random internet user. If you can't take it from me, you can't take it from anyone. The word weak comes to mind.

I Wear Pants;1056575 wrote:FIFY

LJ;1056570 wrote:If you have ever taken a history of religion, Christianity, or world religion class.

LJ;1056576 wrote:No, I just can see through your bull****.

I Wear Pants;1056579 wrote:Yes. And I spent 19 years being very much Catholic. (Alter serving, etc, etc) (no, not getting raped).

LJ;1056578 wrote:Yeah no. I didn't say anything about leaving it up to faith. Why does there have to be a metric? You keep trying to force people into organized religion.