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Jan 17, 2012 10:54 PM
LJ;1056485 wrote:/thread
Not really irrational hatred.

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Jan 17, 2012 10:54pm
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Jan 17, 2012 10:56 PM
sleeper;1056490 wrote:I think we found something we agree on Fab1b. I was unlucky in the sense that I grew up having to go to church every Sunday, and I had to go through a private religious based school. I am however lucky and blessed that I was able to see the light before I spent the rest of my life completely devoid of logic.
Agree with ya! I don't have a problem with those that take up religion, believe, etc...I just ask that you find your own path and answers, not just follow those that came before you because that is what they put in your head!
Jan 17, 2012 10:56pm
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Jan 17, 2012 10:56 PM
Also Fab1b, part of the problem is that people don't want to look back on their life as a waste, even though in their head they agree with you.

Look up cognitive dissonance. It's the bain of believers.
Jan 17, 2012 10:56pm
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Jan 17, 2012 10:56 PM
sleeper;1056484 wrote:This type of story eats my heart. I hate childhood indoctrination more than anything and is the main driver of my irrational hatred towards any religious institution. Kids don't even have a freaking chance to think for themselves.

I have a brother who is complete opposite of me. My family is strong believers but they did let us make our own choices.
Jan 17, 2012 10:56pm
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Jan 17, 2012 10:57 PM
organized religion /= faith or spirituality
Jan 17, 2012 10:57pm
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Jan 17, 2012 10:57 PM
Fab1b;1056496 wrote:Agree with ya! I don't have a problem with those that take up religion, believe, etc...I just ask that you find your own path and answers, not just follow those that came before you because that is what they put in your head!
I hope you reproduce.

Good day.
Jan 17, 2012 10:57pm
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Jan 17, 2012 10:59 PM
Tiger2003;1056498 wrote:I have a brother who is complete opposite of me. My family is strong believers but they did let us make our own choices.
Interesting. Did you ever explore the beauty of Islam?
Jan 17, 2012 10:59pm
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Jan 17, 2012 10:59 PM
Fab1b;1056491 wrote:I didn't say it was dumb, I was more interested in the fact that you either did it because that is the way you were raised or if you actually sought out and found your own path? If you love your religion that is great, that tells me you sought it out and determined that path was best for you. That is all I was getting at. See my post above about my mother and I, same thing just the other side.

Ya sorry dumb was the wrong word to use. I don't have a problem with people not believing or being religious at all. It's your life and your path so you should get to choose. That is the great thing about living in the United States of America!
Jan 17, 2012 10:59pm
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Jan 17, 2012 11:00 PM
sleeper;1056501 wrote:Interesting. Did you ever explore the beauty of Islam?

No.
Jan 17, 2012 11:00pm
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Jan 17, 2012 11:02 PM
Tiger2003;1056502 wrote:Ya sorry dumb was the wrong word to use. I don't have a problem with people not believing or being religious at all. It's your life and your path so you should get to choose. That is the great thing about living in the United States of America!
Too bad a bunch of people in our country don't think that way.
Jan 17, 2012 11:02pm
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Jan 17, 2012 11:04 PM
LJ;1056499 wrote:organized religion /= faith or spirituality
Unless your faith/spirituality isn't at all based on the bible, quran, torah, etc then just because someone says they are separate from religion doesn't make it so.
Jan 17, 2012 11:04pm
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Jan 17, 2012 11:04 PM
LJ;1056499 wrote:organized religion /= faith or spirituality

This this this this
Jan 17, 2012 11:04pm
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Jan 17, 2012 11:07 PM
I Wear Pants;1056512 wrote:Unless your faith/spirituality isn't at all based on the bible, quran, torah, etc then just because someone says they are separate from religion doesn't make it so.
Didn't know the bible was specific to organized religion? You can study the bible and have faith based on that without buying into all the bullshit of many organized religions. As you said before, your assertion is "bullshit"
Jan 17, 2012 11:07pm
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Jan 17, 2012 11:08 PM
I promise I will not attack you or make fun of you in this thread.
Let's pretend that you actually mean that even though you've already called several people 'ignorant'.

Let's start by saying that prayer is a dedication of mind and heart to the values of your particular religion..of your particular relationship with God and his universe.

To that end, I pray for enlightenment and epiphany. Prayer helps me sort thru the 'noise' of daily life and helps me act consistently with what I value and what I believe in. It keeps me grounded to my core, and helps me act in accordance with what I view as the creator's purpose for me.
Jan 17, 2012 11:08pm
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Jan 17, 2012 11:10 PM
Tiger2003;1056504 wrote:No.
So your choice was either believe in what they believe or don't believe.

I suppose that's better than nothing, despite me not believing your story. Once the light of logic is seen, its extremely rare for someone to return to the neverneverland.
Jan 17, 2012 11:10pm
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Jan 17, 2012 11:10 PM
LJ;1056520 wrote:Didn't know the bible was specific to organized religion? You can study the bible and have faith based on that without buying into all the bullshit of many organized religions. As you said before, your assertion is "bullshit"
The bible was created by organized religion.
Jan 17, 2012 11:10pm
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Jan 17, 2012 11:11 PM
HitsRus;1056521 wrote:Let's pretend that you actually mean that even though you've already called several people 'ignorant'.
I haven't called anyone ignorant. I have said they have made ignorant statements, which is accurate. Sorry.
Jan 17, 2012 11:11pm
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Jan 17, 2012 11:12 PM
I Wear Pants;1056525 wrote:The bible was created by organized religion.
Sorry, Paul the Apostle was before the formation of the Catholic Church
Jan 17, 2012 11:12pm
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Jan 17, 2012 11:14 PM
LJ;1056520 wrote:Didn't know the bible was specific to organized religion? You can study the bible and have faith based on that without buying into all the bull**** of many organized religions. As you said before, your assertion is "bull****"
The existence of millions of niche beliefs systems is proof enough that there is no religious god. There is only one truth out there. Religion are designed for power and money. That's it.
Jan 17, 2012 11:14pm
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Jan 17, 2012 11:14 PM
I Wear Pants;1056525 wrote:The bible was created by organized religion.
Have you ever taken any History of Christianity or History of World Religions classes? JW
Jan 17, 2012 11:14pm
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Jan 17, 2012 11:15 PM
sleeper;1056529 wrote:The existence of millions of niche beliefs systems is proof enough that there is no religious god. There is only one truth out there. Religion are designed for power and money. That's it.
Organized religion /= faith
Jan 17, 2012 11:15pm
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Jan 17, 2012 11:18 PM
LJ;1056534 wrote:Organized religion /= faith
LOL what?

Yeah, organized religion cannot be proven to be accurate, therefore it requires faith. Faith is a copout and a mental handicap.
Jan 17, 2012 11:18pm
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Jan 17, 2012 11:19 PM
sleeper;1056537 wrote:LOL what?

Yeah, organized religion cannot be proven to be accurate, therefore it requires faith. Faith is a copout and a mental handicap.
What do you mean "LOL what?"

Why do you have to belong to a specific organized religion to have faith? What if someone believes there is a God and believe in the Pauline Epistles? They obviously don't belong to an organized religion, yet they have faith.
Jan 17, 2012 11:19pm
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Jan 17, 2012 11:19 PM
LJ;1056528 wrote:Sorry, Paul the Apostle was before the formation of the Catholic Church
You're saying they didn't have or put religious beliefs in the bible? Explain all the talk about Judaism, etc all over the bible then. Because organized religion is all throughout it.

And I said organized religion, not just the Catholic Church.
Jan 17, 2012 11:19pm
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Jan 17, 2012 11:21 PM
sleeper;1056537 wrote:LOL what?

Yeah, organized religion cannot be proven to be accurate, therefore it requires faith. Faith is a copout and a mental handicap.
Then you must be oozing with faith.
Jan 17, 2012 11:21pm