sleeper;1057504 wrote:This is trolling at worst and misinterpreting at best. I expect better from a moderator.

Cue your typical "I only mod the politics forum" shtick.

rmolin73;1057499 wrote:Trust me pal I don't hate you. You are in no way significant enough for me to hate you. You humor me tremedously so keep up the good work.

osudarby08;1057505 wrote:Well this thread went to hell real quick...

LJ;1057511 wrote:I expect you to not make **** up....

nah, no I don't.

sleeper;1057514 wrote:How many times do I have to explain this? I inferred a conclusion based on a study that I read. What is so hard about this to understand? Do you not follow the logic? Is the conclusion unreasonable?

sleeper;1057514 wrote:How many times do I have to explain this? I inferred a conclusion based on a study that I read. What is so hard about this to understand? Do you not follow the logic? Is the conclusion unreasonable?

LJ;1057520 wrote:No, that is what you said after you realized you lied about there being a study claiming that the "majority" of believers lie about it. We all know you are full of bull****. Just move on. Or you can just cry about being "trolled' for being called on your bull****.

tcarrier32;1057523 wrote:I am not sleeper, so I cannot defend his arguments. But it is not a stretch to accept what he said as truth. Atheists are hated in American society, David Silverman (head of American Atheists) has had many interviews where he claims that there are far more atheists in office than we are lead to believe because of those preconceived thoughts. Its not a hard connection to make really. America hovers around 7-14% non-believer depending on which studies you look at, there is a chance that 7-14% of the members of public office are atheist.

here's a link, Atheists are distrusted as much as rapists in some cases.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2011-12-10/religion-atheism/51777612/1

The Equalizer;1057528 wrote:So what is the difference between inferring a conclusion based on a study you read and religious believers inferring that there is a God/etc from the scripture they read? Both sides are taking information presented to them, deciding if they feel it has credibility, and moving forward with their conclusion.

LJ;1057535 wrote:I have no problem believing that there are said people. What I do not believe is the statement that "the majority of believers" claim to be so only because they want to be accepted.

sleeper;1057531 wrote:Get over it. I changed what I said. Sorry that you misunderstood and assumed I had a study directly linking the two. Your constantly harping on the issue to distract from having to fight my infallible logic is laughable at best.

sleeper;1057539 wrote:Take out majority then. It was an exaggeration, an exaggeration that you try to exploit because you know I'm right and can't attack a sound argument.

LJ;1057540 wrote:How is your logic infalliable? Oh wait, it's not.

The Equalizer;1057545 wrote:Again, the bible doesn't prove anything. The bible proposes teachings and asks for faith to follow its teachings. You're trying to interject proof as the only criteria you'll accept to believe, when that belief doesn't require it. In any case, this discussion is going nowhere.

sleeper;1057543 wrote:Ok, then pick it apart.

LJ;1057552 wrote:Ok, an estimated 7-14% is not "majority"

20% of the WORLD does not make a majority (lets not forget that some of the worlds atheists still practice a religion, mainly Buddhism). So just taking a midpoint, you would have about 15% being atheist. You are nowhere even near being able to claim that a "majority" lie to get in.

sleeper;1057553 wrote:I said take out majority. I cannot argue with someone who doesn't understand that typos are made. You spend more time trying to exploit typos that attacking my view points.

sleeper;1057556 wrote:LJ answer me this, why don't we see atheists run for political office? Atheists make up about 20% of the population, why aren't roughly 20% of all politicians atheist?