Privates should have their own division/association, like it or not. I wouldn't care if they stayed with the public schools however, but private schools dominate in a lot of sports. CCC in baseball (I believe), CVCA in soccer(kinda), St. Paris Graham in Wrestling (powerhouse), so how is that fair to the "average joe" kids. I'm all about competition but c'mon man.

St Paris graham is a public school.

landshark0731;1059831 wrote:St Paris graham is a public school.

Which is the proof of winning breeds winning

pnhasbeen;1059832 wrote:Which is the proof of winning breeds winning

I agree!

Hahahahaha St. Paris Graham, next you will be saying St. Henry is private.

I know what you mean Molin, people think because "the" St.Is before the name it's a private school. It's actually Graham high school in St. Paris . No different than Liberty high school being referred to as Youngstown liberty although Liberty is in Trumbull county and Ytown is Mahoning county.

landshark the funny thing about is that no one wants to talk about how public schools dominate certain sports as well. How about track and field, cross country, softball, and the big one boys basketball.

The SEC should have their own separate football tournament. It's not fair to the rest of us.

rmolin73;1059839 wrote:Hahahahaha St. Paris Graham, next you will be saying St. Henry is private.

Don't leave out multiple champion St. Marys.

fish82;1059473 wrote:I don't know of any private schools that are turning away students...and they expel kids for the exact same reasons that publics do. The notion that the privates intentionally "thin the herd" is another urban legend meant to rile up the mob.

You mean you do not know of any private schools who turn down students who have parents with money that can afford to pay the tuition. You do understand that either intentionally or unintentionally the heard is thinned. A cross section of a public school is very different then a private school. Although I suspect you think you are an expert in the educational system also

rmolin73;1059839 wrote:Hahahahaha St. Paris Graham, next you will be saying St. Henry is private.

Or Maria Stein Marion Local. Because "Maria Stein" has a wacky Catholic-sounding vibe to it.

Bigdogg;1060229 wrote:You mean you do not know of any private schools who turn down students who have parents with money that can afford to pay the tuition. You do understand that either intentionally or unintentionally the heard is thinned. A cross section of a public school is very different then a private school. Although I suspect you think you are an expert in the educational system also

Thank you, I'm glad somebody else understands.

The advantage a private school has is not premeditated. They have it simply by existing. The same way a 1,200-student school has an advantage over a 300-student school. They didn't conspire to get the upperhand, they have it by default. They may abuse that advantage, or they may not. They may benefit it from it, or flush the advantage down the drain.

The Graham comment was off base (kind of)....They are a PUBLIC that somehow magically draws talent Nationwide!!!! If you are looking for the Private wrestling domination.....you have to mention St Ed(s).....

Why is it that anytime a private school wins a championship, everyone cries unfair advantage, lets force them out of the tournaments so we have a better chance of winning, but when a public school wins a championship you don't hear the private schools crying?

St Ed(s) has won....eh....Go Team!

I really dont care...lol

Sykotyk;1060350 wrote:Thank you, I'm glad somebody else understands.

The advantage a private school has is not premeditated. They have it simply by existing. The same way a 1,200-student school has an advantage over a 300-student school. They didn't conspire to get the upperhand, they have it by default. They may abuse that advantage, or they may not. They may benefit it from it, or flush the advantage down the drain.

OK. For a second, let's assume this is true. Private schools have an advantage simply by existing. Is that reason enough to separate the tournament completely? Where does it end? It's very advantageous to have an established coach who has been with the program for years (and even decades). Should we separate the tournament for schools with new coaches because they haven't had time to establish a program like an established coach has? Some teams have great fanbases that travel well and sell out every home game. This is a huge advantage for schools. Should schools with a great following be put into their own tournament because their fan base travels so well making each playoff game a virtual "home game" for them?

Sykotyk;1060350 wrote:Thank you, I'm glad somebody else understands.

The advantage a private school has is not premeditated. They have it simply by existing. The same way a 1,200-student school has an advantage over a 300-student school. They didn't conspire to get the upperhand, they have it by default. They may abuse that advantage, or they may not. They may benefit it from it, or flush the advantage down the drain.

Sounds like you're describing the OE publics to a tee.

Bigdogg;1060229 wrote:You mean you do not know of any private schools who turn down students who have parents with money that can afford to pay the tuition. You do understand that either intentionally or unintentionally the heard is thinned. A cross section of a public school is very different then a private school. Although I suspect you think you are an expert in the educational system also

Well, I think you can pick any subject you like and I'll know at LEAST as much as you, broseph. But just for fun...other than tuition, how is the cross section different? And what pray tell does affording tuition have do do with athletic success? Are you suggestting that only kids of means are championship caliber athletes? :laugh:

Well honestly i could care either way if privates have their own division, just stating my opinion

password;1060588 wrote:Why is it that anytime a private school wins a championship, everyone cries unfair advantage, lets force them out of the tournaments so we have a better chance of winning, but when a public school wins a championship you don't hear the private schools crying?

This. Shut up and compete

BearBoy69;1060807 wrote:Well honestly i could care either way if privates have their own division, just stating my opinion

This isn't an opinion.

Sherm...your spiel is old.....stick to stand up....no wait, that blows too.

Just keep on keepin on and dont reproduce....gingers are the devil.

1_beast;1060845 wrote:Sherm...your spiel is old.....stick to stand up....no wait, that blows too.

Just keep on keepin on and dont reproduce....gingers are the devil.

Another crack about my stand up? And MY "spiel is old?" Oh! And a ginger joke! How original and funny. /sarcasm

Even though it wasn't directed at you, the fact that this was the only response you could come up with to my questions speaks volumes about this discussion. I know, I know. You don't care...but clearly you do since you keep posting in the threads.

fish82;1060778 wrote:Sounds like you're describing the OE publics to a tee.

Most schools in Ohio are OE....the only ones that aren't are the suburban ones who already have a large enrollment and don't want "undesirables" into their system.

fish82;1060781 wrote:Well, I think you can pick any subject you like and I'll know at LEAST as much as you, broseph. But just for fun...other than tuition, how is the cross section different? And what pray tell does affording tuition have do do with athletic success? Are you suggestting that only kids of means are championship caliber athletes? :laugh:

What puts most of the private schools over the top is bringing in kids without "means". How many titles would Mooney or Ursuline have without the "urban" (black) kids?? Is it a coincidence that Ursuline started to dominate their division when they started handing out vouchers?? It's the big elephant sitting in the room and nobody has the guts to say it.

ManO'War;1061031 wrote:What puts most of the private schools over the top is bringing in kids without "means". How many titles would Mooney or Ursuline have without the "urban" (black) kids?? Is it a coincidence that Ursuline started to dominate their division when they started handing out vouchers?? It's the big elephant sitting in the room and nobody has the guts to say it.

Funny you say it that way. I think the better question would be, "is it a coincidence that Ursuline started to dominate their division when the Youngstown City schools started completely tanking, and the state government felt that parents should be able to give their kids a quality education despite their economic means?"

But to say that Mooney has only dominated since the advent of vouchers is silly to say the least. Mooney has had a winning tradition throughout the playoff era. So saying that their success is limited to only the time when vouchers began shows you don't know much about the topic.