lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Nov 19, 2012 9:02pm
shook_17;1325360 wrote:Whos better Matt Barkley? Geno Smith? Hell no.
shook_17;1323001 wrote:
I still think weeden can be the guy. He is better than any qb coming out in this draft
No, you said Weeden is better than any QB in this draft. And that's what I was responding to.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Nov 19, 2012 9:05pm
ahh. My bad, but i do think with this whole year with Weeden starting, he gives us a better option winning next year than Barkely or Smith. I am not impressed with those two. So we go into next year with Weeds add a few pieces then the following year if Weeds doesn't pan out we draft our guy. I just hate to burn a first round pick if he isn't a sure fire all pro.lhslep134;1325431 wrote:No, you said Weeden is better than any QB in this draft. And that's what I was responding to.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Nov 19, 2012 9:20pm
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Nov 19, 2012 9:21pm
I was literally just about to post this.shook_17;1325459 wrote:http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index.ssf/2012/11/in_an_almost_season_for_the_cl.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
nice read. very true.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Nov 19, 2012 9:23pm
Great minds think alike i suppose.like_that;1325461 wrote:I was literally just about to post this.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Nov 19, 2012 9:33pm
Exact same shit that got said last year. "Almost always almost winning" just means you always lose.shook_17;1325459 wrote:http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index.ssf/2012/11/in_an_almost_season_for_the_cl.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
nice read. very true.
We're 27th in the NFL in rushing and our #3 overall pick averages 3.7 yards per carry. They're productive in 1 phase of the offense. Unfortunately there are 2.The offensive line is productive
Every team in the NFL could talk about how good they "almost" are. So fucking sick of hearing it.
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Sonofanump
Nov 19, 2012 10:22pm
The realgm site above has a kid from Ada ranked above Matt Barkley.shook_17;1325360 wrote:Whos better Matt Barkley? Geno Smith? Hell no.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Nov 19, 2012 11:16pm
LOL!!shook_17;1325464 wrote:Great minds think alike i suppose.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Nov 19, 2012 11:48pm
2009: 29th
2010: 26th
2011: 29th
2012: 28th
What are those 4 numbers you may ask?
Those would be the total offense rankings of teams that Pat Shumur was in charge of calling the plays for.
I am surprised Terry Pluto isn't "Almost" drowning in the amount of water he is carrying for Shurmur and the franchise.
He is right though about some of the "almosts" becoming wins, because thankfully Pat Shumur will be a QB coach somewhere instead of being given free reign to indoctrinate our young players with his loser mentality the way he has the past 2 years.
The sad part is Shurmur is who we thought he was, and yet knowing that Holmgren hired him anyway.
2010: 26th
2011: 29th
2012: 28th
What are those 4 numbers you may ask?
Those would be the total offense rankings of teams that Pat Shumur was in charge of calling the plays for.
I am surprised Terry Pluto isn't "Almost" drowning in the amount of water he is carrying for Shurmur and the franchise.
He is right though about some of the "almosts" becoming wins, because thankfully Pat Shumur will be a QB coach somewhere instead of being given free reign to indoctrinate our young players with his loser mentality the way he has the past 2 years.
The sad part is Shurmur is who we thought he was, and yet knowing that Holmgren hired him anyway.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Nov 19, 2012 11:57pm
I didn't ask. Did anyone else?IggyPride00;1325623 wrote:
What are those 4 numbers you may ask?
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Nov 20, 2012 12:41pm
Rumor floating around that the Browns have hired Bernie Kosar as a special assistant to Brandon Weeden.
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Motard
Posts: 6
Nov 20, 2012 12:54pm
I'm tired of hearing everyone say "it's almost there". You know we were "almost there" last year too, 6 losses were within a score. If you go 0-16 and lose every game by a single point, there are still some big problems, "almost" doesn't cut it. Shurmur has to go now! he has his players believing that as long as they play hard and "battle", they've done their job.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Nov 20, 2012 1:21pm
Maybe weeds will be here next year :thumbup:BR1986FB;1325921 wrote:Rumor floating around that the Browns have hired Bernie Kosar as a special assistant to Brandon Weeden.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Nov 20, 2012 1:24pm
If this rumor is true, and the hiring move was made by Haslam/Banner vs Shurmur/Heckert, I'd have to believe that they see enough of him to try to develop him another year. Could be wrong but that would seem to be the direction they were pointing.shook_17;1325980 wrote:Maybe weeds will be here next year :thumbup:
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Nov 20, 2012 2:55pm
He will have to be God awful the last 6 games not to be back next year.BR1986FB;1325983 wrote:If this rumor is true, and the hiring move was made by Haslam/Banner vs Shurmur/Heckert, I'd have to believe that they see enough of him to try to develop him another year. Could be wrong but that would seem to be the direction they were pointing.
Getting a QB better than what he is doing through free agency won't happen.
Without a 2nd round pick, there is no way the organization will burn another first round pick on a QB who at best would be a marginal upgrade over Weeden. Taking another QB would mean that we didn't address any of the gaping defensive holes (secondary) with an impact player in the 1st round.
When you look at the entire picture it points to Weeden getting one more year next year as there just isn't a real good alternative to replace him with that could step in and give more production than they are getting from him.
I am still hopeful that whoever the next coach is will play more to his strengths and hurry up the offense and let him throw down field more.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Nov 20, 2012 3:08pm
Pretty much agree with everything you said here.IggyPride00;1326042 wrote:He will have to be God awful the last 6 games not to be back next year.
Getting a QB better than what he is doing through free agency won't happen.
Without a 2nd round pick, there is no way the organization will burn another first round pick on a QB who at best would be a marginal upgrade over Weeden. Taking another QB would mean that we didn't address any of the gaping defensive holes (secondary) with an impact player in the 1st round.
When you look at the entire picture it points to Weeden getting one more year next year as there just isn't a real good alternative to replace him with that could step in and give more production than they are getting from him.
I am still hopeful that whoever the next coach is will play more to his strengths and hurry up the offense and let him throw down field more.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Nov 20, 2012 3:20pm
Dysert from Miami (OH)? It'd be cool to see him make it in the league. And even more cool to watch the overhyped Barkley get passed over by QBs left and right when draft time rolls around.Sonofanump;1325555 wrote:The realgm site above has a kid from Ada ranked above Matt Barkley.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Nov 20, 2012 3:43pm
The #Browns opponents combined record: 54-46... I'd imagine that's probably near the top of the league.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Nov 20, 2012 4:07pm
royal_k
Posts: 4,423
Nov 20, 2012 4:09pm
Couldn't agree more. I would have to believe they go defense with their 1st pick and give Weeden another year with better coaching.IggyPride00;1326042 wrote:He will have to be God awful the last 6 games not to be back next year.
Getting a QB better than what he is doing through free agency won't happen.
Without a 2nd round pick, there is no way the organization will burn another first round pick on a QB who at best would be a marginal upgrade over Weeden. Taking another QB would mean that we didn't address any of the gaping defensive holes (secondary) with an impact player in the 1st round.
When you look at the entire picture it points to Weeden getting one more year next year as there just isn't a real good alternative to replace him with that could step in and give more production than they are getting from him.
I am still hopeful that whoever the next coach is will play more to his strengths and hurry up the offense and let him throw down field more.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Nov 20, 2012 5:30pm
Great point. As much as I hate Weeden, a 1st round QB would be a waste. That doesn't mean we can't draft a QB in the 4th or 5th as a developmental project/competition.IggyPride00;1326042 wrote:
Without a 2nd round pick, there is no way the organization will burn another first round pick on a QB who at best would be a marginal upgrade over Weeden. Taking another QB would mean that we didn't address any of the gaping defensive holes (secondary) with an impact player in the 1st round.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Nov 20, 2012 8:23pm
What I want to know is what is going to happen to @fakepatshurmur when Pat Shurmur is fired. Is anyone else as concerned as I am?!?
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Nov 20, 2012 8:29pm
like_that;1326187 wrote:What I want to know is what is going to happen to @fakepatshurmur when Pat Shurmur is fired. Is anyone else as concerned as I am?!?
He said he is keeping the account....possibly "the ghost of pat shurmur"
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Nov 20, 2012 8:31pm
lhslep134;1326134 wrote:Great point. As much as I hate Weeden, a 1st round QB would be a waste. That doesn't mean we can't draft a QB in the 4th or 5th as a developmental project/competition.
If we could get bray in the 4th or 5th round it could be a pretty good steal.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Nov 20, 2012 8:40pm
Probably not a bad idea. I have serious doubts that McCoy will be around much longer. Is he a free agent this coming offseason? I think he has one year left on his contract.lhslep134;1326134 wrote:Great point. As much as I hate Weeden, a 1st round QB would be a waste. That doesn't mean we can't draft a QB in the 4th or 5th as a developmental project/competition.