wes_mantooth
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Nov 4, 2012 8:06pm
Not sure. Def behind Luck and RG3. Russell Wilson has been a surprise...and I don't know about Tannehill(havent seen him)Pick6;1312619 wrote:I would rate Weeden as the worst starting rookie right now. What do you guys think?
wes_mantooth
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Nov 4, 2012 8:06pm
lol, I did the exact same thing.Terry_Tate;1312620 wrote:Me too. Got him as my starting QB in my big keeper league and planning on having him his entire career, lol.
Iliketurtles
Posts: 8,191
Nov 4, 2012 8:08pm
I think it goes
Luck
RG3
Tannehill(he has been a lot better than I thought he would be)
Weeden
Wilson
Luck
RG3
Tannehill(he has been a lot better than I thought he would be)
Weeden
Wilson
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Nov 4, 2012 8:09pm
He has the worst numbers and the least wins. I don't know how you could make an argument otherwise.Pick6;1312619 wrote:I would rate Weeden as the worst starting rookie right now. What do you guys think?
Pick6
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Nov 4, 2012 8:10pm
yeah..i mean its not really a knock on Weeden. He has looked good some, bad some, and average. I am just pretty impressed with the other 4 rookies.Mulva;1312630 wrote:He has the worst numbers and the least wins. I don't know how you could make an argument otherwise.
Pick6
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Nov 4, 2012 8:15pm
Fake Pat Shurmur ‏@FakePatShurmur I keep saying it takes a while to build a winner. 3 teams finished last year worse than us. Those teams have 5, 3 and 5 wins respectively.
Mulva
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Nov 4, 2012 8:17pm
The 1 team that was even with us also has 4. Depressing.Pick6;1312642 wrote:Fake Pat Shurmur ‏@FakePatShurmur I keep saying it takes a while to build a winner. 3 teams finished last year worse than us. Those teams have 5, 3 and 5 wins respectively.
At least Jacksonville still sucks. We aren't the only ones.
IggyPride00
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Nov 4, 2012 8:19pm
I was bummed he couldn't do live in game tweeting again today because he would have had a field day with all the material Shurmur gave him to work with today.Pick6;1312642 wrote:Fake Pat Shurmur ‏@FakePatShurmur I keep saying it takes a while to build a winner. 3 teams finished last year worse than us. Those teams have 5, 3 and 5 wins respectively.
wes_mantooth
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Nov 4, 2012 8:25pm
yeah, it looks to be a very good class.Pick6;1312632 wrote:yeah..i mean its not really a knock on Weeden. He has looked good some, bad some, and average. I am just pretty impressed with the other 4 rookies.
Crimson streak
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Nov 4, 2012 8:26pm
SportsAndLady;1312610 wrote:Why is nobody bashing this post? It's saying what I've been saying all along: Weeden is serviceable, but just not someone you can build your offense around. We'll continue to be, at best, 8-8 with Weeden at QB.
Yet, I said I wish we were winless last year so we could get Luck, and people call me a faux fan. Riiiight.
But the difference is there isn't an Andrew luck in this draft or an rgIII I would dump weedon in a heart beat for a luck type qb.
wes_mantooth
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Nov 4, 2012 8:29pm
My only question regarding the rookie qbs is....does Weeden have the worst surrounding cast? Today, it didn't matter...he was so god damn terrible, he could have had calvin johnson and it wouldnt have mattered.
Luck has Wayne and the Redskins tried to surround RG3 with a bunch of FAs.
Luck has Wayne and the Redskins tried to surround RG3 with a bunch of FAs.
SportsAndLady
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Nov 4, 2012 8:29pm
Oh so you can predict NFL futures, got itCrimson streak;1312660 wrote:But the difference is there isn't an Andrew luck in this draft or an rgIII I would dump weedon in a heart beat for a luck type qb.
wes_mantooth
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Nov 4, 2012 8:30pm
Luck has Wayne and the Redskins tried to surround RG3 with a bunch of FAs.wes_mantooth;1312665 wrote:My only question regarding the rookie qbs is....does Weeden have the worst surrounding cast? Today, it didn't matter...he was so god damn terrible, he could have had calvin johnson and it wouldnt have mattered.
SportsAndLady
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Nov 4, 2012 8:31pm
I really don't think his cast is anywhere near the worst.wes_mantooth;1312665 wrote:My only question regarding the rookie qbs is....does Weeden have the worst surrounding cast?
He by far has the best offensive line..which is probably the most important position to be good surrounding a QB.
Trent is a beast. Josh Gordon is a beast.
His WRs do drop a ton of balls though, that you cannot deny.
Iliketurtles
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Nov 4, 2012 8:33pm
I'd say its close with Weeden and Tannehill with the worst around them. I think Wilson has the best cast around him and he hasn't impressed me much at all.wes_mantooth;1312665 wrote:My only question regarding the rookie qbs is....does Weeden have the worst surrounding cast? Today, it didn't matter...he was so god damn terrible, he could have had calvin johnson and it wouldnt have mattered.
Luck has Wayne and the Redskins tried to surround RG3 with a bunch of FAs.
wes_mantooth
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Nov 4, 2012 8:33pm
I think Trent is a beast and Gordon is GOING to be a beast. So happy they sold out and got Gordon...probably the one correct move this FO has madeSportsAndLady;1312669 wrote:I really don't think his cast is anywhere near the worst.
He by far has the best offensive line..which is probably the most important position to be good surrounding a QB.
Trent is a beast. Josh Gordon is a beast.
His WRs do drop a ton of balls though, that you cannot deny.
Pick6
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Nov 4, 2012 8:35pm
rovell writing off weeden.
http://www.poptip.com/darrenrovell/poll-who-will-become-the-best-nfl-quarterback-luck-rgiii-rwilson
http://www.poptip.com/darrenrovell/poll-who-will-become-the-best-nfl-quarterback-luck-rgiii-rwilson
Pick6
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Nov 4, 2012 8:39pm
Weeden's cast out of the 5:
#1 O-line
#2 rb
somewhere between 3-5 with WRs.
Debatable with them. Garcon has hardly played this year for Washington. I dont even know another WR on the Dolphins besides Hartline. Weeden is throwing to 3 #2 picks, and a college teammate. Id rank them at 4.
I dont know if casts should be relevant, though. We all know it wasnt allowed to be an excuse for McCoy.
#1 O-line
#2 rb
somewhere between 3-5 with WRs.
Debatable with them. Garcon has hardly played this year for Washington. I dont even know another WR on the Dolphins besides Hartline. Weeden is throwing to 3 #2 picks, and a college teammate. Id rank them at 4.
I dont know if casts should be relevant, though. We all know it wasnt allowed to be an excuse for McCoy.
wes_mantooth
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Nov 4, 2012 8:44pm
My worries with Weeden are that he will be Derek Anderson. He has a cannon and throws some beautiful balls...but then he turns around and makes terrible decisions. I just want to hold off judgement on him for awhile.
Mulva
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Nov 4, 2012 8:47pm
None of the 5 have very good receivers overall - Miami's is probably the worst although Washington is pretty bad without Garcon (Morgan and Hankerson?). The Colts have the worst O-line and running back situation.
I think Luck and Tannehill have the worst surrounding pieces overall.
I think Luck and Tannehill have the worst surrounding pieces overall.
Crimson streak
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Nov 4, 2012 8:49pm
SportsAndLady;1312666 wrote:Oh so you can predict NFL futures, got it
Seriously? Luck would have been the number 1 pick if he came out as a junior. He was the most sure fire qb possibly ever. RgIII was also a semi low bust factor as well. Look at this years qb's they all have major flaws. Could they turn out to be studs sure but that's a huge risk to draft them in the first round let alone top 5. Especially when we have much bigger needs then qb right now.
wes_mantooth
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Nov 4, 2012 8:51pm
They def have bigger needs than qb...can we draft Saban?Crimson streak;1312690 wrote:Seriously? Luck would have been the number 1 pick if he came out as a junior. He was the most sure fire qb possibly ever. RgIII was also a semi low bust factor as well. Look at this years qb's they all have major flaws. Could they turn out to be studs sure but that's a huge risk to draft them in the first round let alone top 5. Especially when we have much bigger needs then qb right now.
Crimson streak
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Nov 4, 2012 8:53pm
wes_mantooth;1312694 wrote:They def have bigger needs than qb...can we draft Saban?
Lol but I'm really digging Montgomery or mingo
wes_mantooth
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Nov 4, 2012 8:55pm
I just noticed that this will be my 475th post in this thread....I am a loser.
SportsAndLady
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Nov 4, 2012 9:02pm
Crimson all I'm saying is you don't know how the QBs are going to turn out in this upcoming draft. Sure, there are no "hype" QB's like Luck, but that doesn't mean someone won't shoot up the draft boards after the senior game/combine/private workouts and turn out to be great. Happens almost every year it seems.