Archive 2012 Cleveland Browns thread: AKA Pat Shurmur Memorial thread

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BR1986FB

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Oct 29, 2012 5:16am

Pick6;1306478 wrote:who do you think is a better realistic candidate than Gruden?

Not necessarily "better" but a more realistic option would be Todd Bowles.

And as far as Lombardi? Guy is a snake.

wes_mantooth

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Oct 29, 2012 6:58am

BR1986FB;1306989 wrote:Not necessarily "better" but a more realistic option would be Todd Bowles.

And as far as Lombardi? Guy is a snake.

Def agree about Lombardi....he is shady

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BR1986FB

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Oct 29, 2012 8:22am

@DMurph_BrownsPR: Trent Richardson's 5 rushing TDs are the most by a #Browns rookie in the team’s first 8 games since 1969 (RonJohnson, five)

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BR1986FB

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Oct 29, 2012 9:07am

like_that

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Oct 29, 2012 10:42am

Looks like Jim Brown is having a change of heart with T Rich: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000086896/article/jim-brown-calls-trent-richardson-my-partner

IggyPride00

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Oct 29, 2012 11:06am

Commander of Awesome

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Oct 29, 2012 12:26pm

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php - CLEVELAND BROWNS: JARVIS JONES, OLB, GEORGIA

http://football.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/29553/20121027/2013_nfl_mock_draft_version_20/ - 3. Cleveland Browns: Jonathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State. [LEFT]
lol at taking a DT, probably the area of our greatest depth. Risdon continually proving to be an asshat.
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BR1986FB

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Oct 29, 2012 12:33pm

Commander of Awesome;1307190 wrote:http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php - CLEVELAND BROWNS: JARVIS JONES, OLB, GEORGIA

http://football.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/29553/20121027/2013_nfl_mock_draft_version_20/ - 3. Cleveland Browns: Jonathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State. [LEFT]
lol at taking a DT, probably the area of our greatest depth. Risdon continually proving to be an asshat.
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Damn it would be nice if they were in a position to trade down a few, get Jarvis Jones and find a way to trade back up for Manti Te'o. We'd have a helluva linebacking corps.

OQB

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Oct 29, 2012 12:36pm

BR1986FB;1307200 wrote:Damn it would be nice if they were in a position to trade down a few, get Jarvis Jones and find a way to trade back up for Manti Te'o. We'd have a helluva linebacking corps.

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I was thinking the same thing watching both of them play saturday.

Commander of Awesome

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Oct 29, 2012 12:38pm

BR1986FB;1307200 wrote:Damn it would be nice if they were in a position to trade down a few, get Jarvis Jones and find a way to trade back up for Manti Te'o. We'd have a helluva linebacking corps.

I think we're set at LBer. I want a monster DE, or a legit FS. SICK of watching Ward get lost out there. Safety is our weakest link on def IMO. Ward is a glorified LBer out there. So I want a stud DE or trade down for one of the top safeties (Reid or McDonald).

SportsAndLady

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Oct 29, 2012 12:57pm

OQB;1307204 wrote:'

I was thinking the same thing .

Shocker

Midstate01

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Oct 29, 2012 12:58pm

IggyPride00;1307124 wrote:

In all seriousness, a roof was mentioned by new ownership wasn't it? Or did I misread that?

Pick6

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Oct 29, 2012 1:00pm

Commander of Awesome;1307207 wrote:I think we're set at LBer. I want a monster DE, or a legit FS. SICK of watching Ward get lost out there. Safety is our weakest link on def IMO. Ward is a glorified LBer out there. So I want a stud DE or trade down for one of the top safeties (Reid or McDonald).

to be honest, Ward fucks up some, but I dont think he is used right. I really see him as a Polamalu-type. Also, Ward is SS, not FS.

wes_mantooth

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Oct 29, 2012 1:19pm

Ward got torched on that dropped easy touchdown...not sure on who the receiver was.

like_that

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Oct 29, 2012 1:20pm

BR1986FB;1307200 wrote:Damn it would be nice if they were in a position to trade down a few, get Jarvis Jones and find a way to trade back up for Manti Te'o. We'd have a helluva linebacking corps.

I would [adsense] my pants if they could pull that off. Although, we already have a ILB though. Somebody would have to make a transition.

Commander of Awesome;1307207 wrote:I think we're set at LBer. I want a monster DE, or a legit FS. SICK of watching Ward get lost out there. Safety is our weakest link on def IMO. Ward is a glorified LBer out there. So I want a stud DE or trade down for one of the top safeties (Reid or McDonald).

I disagree with safety being the weakest link, however if we could do BR's above scenario and get Jones + a legit DE, I would also [adsense] my pants.

Pick6;1307246 wrote:to be honest, Ward fucks up some, but I dont think he is used right. I really see him as a Polamalu-type. Also, Ward is SS, not FS.

He is a poor man's Polamalu-type. He isn't great, but he isn't as bad as COA is making him out to be. Definitely not bad enough to make it a high enough priority to get a new safety.

like_that

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Oct 29, 2012 1:20pm

wes_mantooth;1307269 wrote:Ward got torched on that dropped easy touchdown...not sure on who the receiver was.

Meachem. Ward didn't even try to cover him. He clearly fucked that up.

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BR1986FB

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Oct 29, 2012 1:24pm

like_that;1307271 wrote:Ward didn't even try to cover him. He clearly fucked that up.

He seems to do that a lot.

wes_mantooth

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Oct 29, 2012 1:25pm

BR1986FB;1307277 wrote:He seems to do that a lot.

yeah, i think he pretty much loves to hit, but that is about it. Terrible in coverage

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BR1986FB

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Oct 29, 2012 1:30pm

wes_mantooth;1307279 wrote:yeah, i think he pretty much loves to hit, but that is about it. Terrible in coverage

Brutal in coverage and hands of stone. I think he dropped three pick 6's his rookie year. One was gift wrapped by TheRapist. Good against the run though.

Commander of Awesome

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Oct 29, 2012 1:31pm

Yeah he does fuck that up a lot. He's a SS but they have him playing FS. His coverage skills are some of the worst in the league IMO. Get a legit FS in here, moving him to SS upgrades two positions with one pick.

And yes like_that, it is the weakest position on our defense. Followed by LOLBer (Maivia, SMH) but once they start playing Robertson and Fort more it will be better. JMJ looks like a keeper, we get Gocong back next season, OLBer is no longer a priority. DE and safety, biggest need IMO followed by an NFL caliber guard and a WR.

like_that

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Oct 29, 2012 1:38pm

Commander of Awesome;1307285 wrote:Yeah he does fuck that up a lot. He's a SS but they have him playing FS. His coverage skills are some of the worst in the league IMO. Get a legit FS in here, moving him to SS upgrades two positions with one pick.

And yes like_that, it is the weakest position on our defense. Followed by LOLBer (Maivia, SMH) but once they start playing Foote and Fort more it will be better. JMJ looks like a keeper, we get Gocong back next season, OLBer is no longer a priority. DE and safety, biggest need IMO followed by an NFL caliber guard and a WR.

I agree with your first point. Move him to a real SS position, he will look a lot better. Still not sold on using a draft pick on a FS though. Offense still has some needs too. I'd be ok with trying to throw some money at a real FS in FA though.

Solid point about Gocong. Forgot about him, however I am not sold he will get back to his form as soon as he is back.

Commander of Awesome

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Oct 29, 2012 1:44pm

What FS will be available in FA? You want another Usama Young? Abe Elam? I sure as hell don't. Spend the draft pick and get a STUD FS. I doubt Baltimore and Pitt regret using a 1st on Reed and Polomalu.

like_that

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Oct 29, 2012 2:09pm

Commander of Awesome;1307301 wrote:What FS will be available in FA? You want another Usama Young? Abe Elam? I sure as hell don't. Spend the draft pick and get a STUD FS. I doubt Baltimore and Pitt regret using a 1st on Reed and Polomalu.

Haven't really looked at the FA list, but I think reed is one lol. I just think there are much bigger needs in the first round than a safety. If the Browns get a safety in the first round I would hope they traded down before making that pick.

like_that

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Oct 29, 2012 2:09pm

If Andy Reid gets fired, do you think the Browns would go after him? Would you want him as a coach?

Commander of Awesome

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Oct 29, 2012 2:12pm

like_that;1307330 wrote:Haven't really looked at the FA list, but I think reed is one lol. I just think there are much bigger needs in the first round than a safety. If the Browns get a safety in the first round I would hope they traded down before making that pick.

Obv we differ on needs for the Browns, so I think safety is a big need. DE is #1 (hell just a pass rush in general. Stud OLBer is there I wouldn't QQ), followed by safety, guard, then WR.