Banner on board

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/09/source-banner-on-board-with-browns-unofficially/
Posted by Mike Florio on September 9, 2012, 1:14 PM EDT
APAs new Browns owner Jimmy Haslam unofficially takes the reins of the team, the man who helped turn the Eagles into a consistent contender in the salary-cap era unofficially is poised to join the effort.
A source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that former Eagles president Joe Banner has agreed to terms with the Browns.
Nothing will become official until Haslam is approved by the NFL as the new owner of the team. And Haslam may want to wait to unveil Banner until team president Mike Holmgren’s status is resolved.
When Banner resigned earlier this year, he said that he wanted to get involved with a rebuilding-type project. The Browns resemble that remark, arguably from top to bottom.

So, Who does Everyone want with the # 1 pick next year? Might as well get the discussion started now

Enforcer;1266771 wrote:So, Who does Everyone want with the # 1 pick next year? Might as well get the discussion started now

They won't be picking #1. I can see Miami going 0-16.

well weeden has 15 more games to impress haslam and the new head coach. if he does it will be interesting. if he doesn't impress they will go tyler wilson, arron murray, tyler bray, matt barkley. which means ANOTHER wasted first round pick.

shook_17;1266885 wrote:well weeden has 15 more games to impress haslam and the new head coach. if he does it will be interesting. if he doesn't impress they will go tyler wilson, arron murray, tyler bray, matt barkley. which means ANOTHER wasted first round pick.

If we're going with a qb I want Wilson.

lol god i hope everything works out with weeden but this is cleveland and shit doesn't work out for us. but i like wilson first murray second and bray and barkley are a toss up for third.

For fucks sake. At least wait until the bye to start discussing the off season.

like_that;1267019 wrote:For fucks sake. At least wait until the bye to start discussing the off season.

Haha...was kind of thinking the same thing. I think it's ingrained in our souls.

^^ lol this.

[h=3]Thank You for Not Coaching[/h]It's pretty easy to pick on Browns coach Pat Shurmur this morning, so let's spare him the cheap jokes and get to the facts. When D'Qwell Jackson picked off Michael Vick and took the return back to the house for a 27-yard touchdown in the fourth quarter of Sunday's game, the Browns took a 15-10 lead before attempting the conversion. Shurmur sent his kicking team out there and picked up an extra point to go up 16-10. On their final meaningful drive, though, the Eagles scored a touchdown and picked up the deciding score on the extra point, winning 17-16 after Brandon Weeden threw his fourth pick of the day.
This isn't an egregious decision because it came back to haunt the Browns; it's a critical failure because Shurmur chose the option that added virtually nothing to his team's chances of winning.[SUP]2[/SUP] Kicking the extra point gave thethan the Eagles scoring one touchdown. The value added by a successful two-point conversion is significantly greater, more than enough to justify the risk of going for two. The footballcommentary.com two-point chart suggests that the Browns should have gone for two unless their chances of converting were below 24 percent, a conversion rate that even the league's worst rushing attack would find attainable.
Furthermore, it's an awful decision because it employs exactly zero foresight. You don't need to be thinking about win probability models or game theory to realize that going from a five-point lead to a six-point one in the fourth quarter is basically worthless. Coaches have charts that tell them when they should kick or choose to go for a two-pointer, but a second-generation coach like Shurmur should have easy decisions like this instilled in his DNA. There are some two-point decisions that require a closer consideration of the variables than the simple numbers indicate. This wasn't one of them.
Often, these sorts of scenarios end up being theoretical exercises because, eventually, the game situation after the decision morphs into something totally different, rendering the conversion decision mostly irrelevant in the bigger picture of the game. This was the rare example of a poor coaching decision that seemed ill-advised on the surface and immediately came back to bite the team in question. Situational play-calling tends to be overrated in terms of judging a coach's total effectiveness, but Shurmur's decision was so bad that it raises fundamental questions about his core competency.

^^ SMFH. everybody in the stadium knew to go for two there. except shurmur

shook_17;1267043 wrote:^^ SMFH. everybody in the stadium knew to go for two there. except shurmur

There is a footnote in the article I couldn't copy and paste, but basically it was saying that the extra point increased the Browns chance of winning from 74% to 76%. What a fucking joke.

like_that I was just reading that Grantland article and got a laugh at that part of the column. I was actually surprised it increased their chances by that much I figured it would have been less than a percent.

Iliketurtles;1267054 wrote:like_that I was just reading that Grantland article and got a laugh at that part of the column. I was actually surprised it increased their chances by that much I figured it would have been less than a percent.

I'm sure the percentage increase stemmed mostly from the time left in the game.

like_that;1267048 wrote:There is a footnote in the article I couldn't copy and paste, but basically it was saying that the extra point increased the Browns chance of winning from 74% to 76%. What a ****ing joke.

and knowing shurmur that was good enough. i did see in the presser after the game weeden said they were playing for the field goal instead of the touchdown. also shurmur said if he had to do it again, he would kick the extra point. AGAIN. admit you fucked up. that shit should be second nature.

I can't believe Wes got removed as a mod. Now we have to deal with numbskulls like TS and Cry4Fail moderating this thread. Might be the worst thing to come from this weekend.

For what its worth, guys at OBR have Maeric as the worst FB in football. Its time to move on from this kid. Nuff said.

Commander of Awesome;1267067 wrote:For what its worth, guys at OBR have Maeric as the worst FB in football. Its time to move on from this kid. Nuff said.

Agreed , He couldnt block My 89 year old great grandma

Maybe hurtesty can play some FB?!?!?!

like_that;1267076 wrote:Maybe hurtesty can play some FB?!?!?!

He would get hurt somehow

like_that;1267076 wrote:Maybe hurtesty can play some FB?!?!?!

i was thinking about alex smith

shook_17;1267094 wrote:i was thinking about alex smith

Hardesty wouldn't be willing to block anyone...

Just saw on ESPN that Haden lost his appeal.

Interesting note on OBR, said Hardesty was close to being cut this offseason, but because of Obeygayyayayayna's ankle injury, they weren't sure about his status. Expects one of them to be gone soon.

killer_ewok;1267105 wrote:Just saw on ESPN that Haden lost his appeal.

That was expected. In typical Cleveland fashion he played like a stud and teased us just in time to likely have to go away for a while.