the boos are going to be there regardless so might as well have them reign down

Automatik;1264151 wrote:Because thats what I said, understanding basic English could tell you that.

If it were me, I'd either take the high road and show respect, or hope they didn't do it at all. Why do what everyone expects you to do.....act like idiots, boot, etc. Again, Cleveland doesn't need the negative pub.

Somebody is on their period. B E Z. Must be your first time

SportsAndLady;1264230 wrote:So if your Steelers owner moved them out of Pittsburgh, and years down the road you had to "honor" that man....you would "take the high road and show respect" for the man?

Why can't I boo a man (not his death, the man) when given an opportunity? How is that classless?

I would hope to god they NFL wouldn't be stupid enough to stage something like they are doing in Cleveland, but obviously someone thinks its a good idea. I know it's impossible for Cleveland supporters not to show their disdain. Like I said a few posts ago, they shouldn't do it at all. It's dumb as hell.

shook_17;1264357 wrote:Somebody is on their period. B E Z. Must be your first time

Um ok?

^^ why are you even posting in this forum. i didnt think you were a browns fan.

Automatik;1264410 wrote:I would hope to god they NFL wouldn't be stupid enough to stage something like they are doing in Cleveland, but obviously someone thinks its a good idea. I know it's impossible for Cleveland supporters not to show their disdain. Like I said a few posts ago, they shouldn't do it at all. It's dumb as hell.

Well yeah I agree there. My point was you called Browns fans idiots for boo'ing the moment of silence.

If you were FORCED to give a MOS to the owner that moved the Steelers out of Pittsburgh, would you consider yourself an idiot for boo'ing him/her?

shook_17;1264446 wrote:^^ why are you even posting in this forum. i didnt think you were a browns fan.

Take it easy on matik, he's a good poster. Unfortunately he's just a Steelers fan

shook_17;1264446 wrote:^^ why are you even posting in this forum. i didnt think you were a browns fan.

It's an NFL topic dealing with Cleveland. Why do you care?

SportsAndLady;1264466 wrote:Take it easy on matik, he's a good poster. Unfortunately he's just a Steelers fan

smh. that explains a lot.

shook_17;1264582 wrote:smh. that explains a lot.

Explains nothing and has nothing to do with my comments. :laugh:

It's just an opinion.

Automatik;1264609 wrote:Explains nothing and has nothing to do with my comments. :laugh:

It's just an opinion.

Your team allegiance does have something to do with a certain one of your comments actually. It's not the specific team (altho being a pittspuke fan makes it worse for us to read), however it is the fact that you are not a Browns fan, therefore you have no idea what the feeling is like. I think we all agree here that it is dumb as hell for the NFL to put Cleveland in this position, however don't try and act all self-righteous on this thread and say Cleveland fans should just give the man his moment of silence and move on.

Until you support something that you are very passionate about, and have some scumbag take it away from you for no good reason, don't try and pretend you would take the high road and not boo him after being forced to give him recognition of his passing.

^^ reps

like_that;1264623 wrote:Your team allegiance does have something to do with a certain one of your comments actually. It's not the specific team (altho being a pittspuke fan makes it worse for us to read), however it is the fact that you are not a Browns fan, therefore you have no idea what the feeling is like. I think we all agree here that it is dumb as hell for the NFL to put Cleveland in this position, however don't try and act all self-righteous on this thread and say Cleveland fans should just give the man his moment of silence and move on.

Until you support something that you are very passionate about, and have some scumbag take it away from you for no good reason, don't try and pretend you would take the high road and not boo him after being forced to give him recognition of his passing.

Again, just an opinion. You're looking too much into it.

How old were you when they moved? Were you THAT passionate about Cleveland at that age? But I completely understand why the 'lifer' Cleveland fans want to piss on Modells grave.

I was probably more passionoate about the Browns at that age.

Thank god!
http://mobile.cleveland.com/advcleve/pm_29204/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=oxUxyP67

^^ to bad. i was looking forward to booing the shit out of that POS. guess his kid isn't that dumb.

it was always dumb to potentially put cleveland in that position. good to see david modell has some sense to him

Automatik;1264654 wrote:Again, just an opinion. You're looking too much into it.

How old were you when they moved? Were you THAT passionate about Cleveland at that age? But I completely understand why the 'lifer' Cleveland fans want to piss on Modells grave.

I was about 8-9 years old, and I have always been a passionate fan as far as I could start understanding sports. It was very confusing for youth fans at that time, to comprehend why Modell would do such a thing. Not only that, but I saw what the move did to my father and football. My father was as passionate as they come when it came to the Cleveland Browns. After the move, he felt betrayed by the NFL. To this day since the move he has never watched a Browns game, and could care less for the NFL. Not only that but he stole 3 years of my childhood fan hood for a football team. He can go fuck himself. He would get no respect from me if I was there, and there was an actual moment of silence.

Amen, ^ this guy gets it.

Got my nosebleed seats for the game and I am ready to roll. Should be interesting out on the muni....

Go Browns!!

wes_mantooth;1264891 wrote:Got my nosebleed seats for the game and I am ready to roll. Should be interesting out on the muni....

Go Browns!!

Make sure you bring your fuck Modell sign.

^^ i wanted to start the fuck modell chant!

Somewhere in the sprawling city of Melbourne, Australia, a modest United
States flag flies in a man's backyard.



The man is not an American.



But he is a fan of Cleveland.



When curious neighbors or onlookers ask Mark Pirak about his taste in flags,
he usually brushes the questions off politely. It's a long story, you wouldn't
understand, he often says, preferring not to go into detail.

There are any number of good reasons for the brush off. Time is a big one.
Time is of the essence to Pirak. Doctors have given him three months to live.
Cancer has spread into his bones.



His reticence to talk about the American flag, however, goes somewhat deeper
than his pending mortality. It goes to a defensive and prideful place that only
Clevelanders would fully understand.



How can Pirak, 50, a man who spent his life working in Australia's
hospitality industry, easily explain that the American flag reminds him of a
shrinking, Midwestern U.S. city that he adores and of the Cleveland Browns, a
perennial losing franchise that he worships?

How can he easily explain to other sports-obsessed Aussies that his undivided
sporting loyalty is to a franchise located 10,000 miles from home, a franchise
whose games are rarely broadcast in Australia?



How could he possibly hope to easily explain a long distance love affair that
invariably ends in sporting disappointments, like fumbles or
abandonment?



Pirak, you see, has been a Browns fan since 1986, the year he first visited
America. That's the year when he wrote to every team in the NFL and the Browns
were the only one to respond with tickets to a game. His love affair with
Cleveland was born on an October afternoon that saw the Browns lose to the Green
Bay Packers by a field goal. The team went 12-4 that year.



I Skyped with Pirak Thursday evening from the home of his best friend in
Cleveland, prominent restaurateur George Schindler. The two met in 1989 and have
grown as close as brothers. Schindler and his wife, Karen, are leaving Tuesday
for Australia for what is likely to be their last visit with their dear friend
and his family.



The point of our online video chat was to talk football. And Pirak is as
dialed in to the Browns as any caller you will hear on sports talk radio.

He was ready to talk about the Brown's current line. About the rookie
quarterback. About the rookie running back with the suspect knee. About Browns
history.


The only thing he didn't really want to talk about was deceased owner Art
Modell.

So how does an Aussie, on a 14-hour time difference, watch a Browns game,
anyway?

"That's easy," Pirak said with a smile.



"I get up at 3 on Monday morning, turn on my computer and stream it over the
Internet. I just have to hope that my connection stays good."

A man dying of cancer who gets up at 3 a.m. to follow the Browns over a
computer from Australia closely resembles the definition of the word fanatic. He
should be given serious consideration for fan, if not madman, of the year. His
is an uncommon devotion even among the most devoted NFL fan base in the
world.



But it's not just that Pirak closely follows the team. It's bigger than that.
He has a remarkable love and compassion for this town, a love one doesn't often
hear from those who don't claim native status.



"One of my last wishes is that the people of Cleveland will not have to wait
too much longer for what they deserve. The town and its fans deserve a
championship team. You just have to keep believing."



"I love the people there because they're friendly. But the one word that best
describes them is genuine. There's nothing false about them."

When Pirak's intestinal cancer was discovered in 2009, he was nearly dead and
didn't know it. Doctors removed a tumor the size of a pineapple. They thought
they had it all.

They didn't.



The cancer quickly spread to his bladder, his prostate and his bowels. Major
surgeries followed. He should have died, he said.

He didn't.



But now the cancer is in his bone marrow. His last hope is an experimental
treatment. It's a roll of the dice. He finds himself thrust into the realm of
miracles as his only hope.

Yet, despite his adversity, he talks about his Browns, and he smiles broadly.
His enthusiasm is a reminder of our powerful sporting brand that – despite a
long string of losing seasons -- still manages to unite and inspire people near
and far.


On a trip to Cleveland in 2010, Pirak met with a cancer specialist at
University Hospitals Ireland Cancer Center. When the physician asked how Pirak
felt, he responded with a line for the ages:



"I've been a Browns fan for 25 years. Do I really need to say more?"

No, he really doesn't. He's one of us.


http://www.cleveland.com/browns/

Richardson will start...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000059809/article/trent-richardson-to-start-for-browns-scott-fujita-unlikely-to-play?module=HP11_headline_stack

BR1986FB;1265189 wrote:Somewhere in the sprawling city of Melbourne, Australia, a modest United
States flag flies in a man's backyard.

....
"I've been a Browns fan for 25 years. Do I really need to say more?"
No, he really doesn't. He's one of us.


http://www.cleveland.com/browns/

In a country which once was a penal transportation for the UK lives a Cleveland Browns fan. Shocking.














I'm just kidding. lighten up Francis. You gotta admit, that was a good one.

nice play by ward