2012 Cleveland Browns thread: AKA Pat Shurmur Memorial thread

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Aug 12, 2012 11:57am
Why would you even tell them that you were abusing it. It's not like it can be proved. Dumb

And if I'm in vegas and looking for an "upper" fuck adderall, give me some x
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Aug 12, 2012 12:30pm
Pick6;1245275 wrote: give me some x
X won't keep you up at 6 AM though, adderall will.
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Footwedge
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Aug 12, 2012 4:53pm
wes_mantooth;1244738 wrote:Didn't watch the game...got drunk and went home with a skank.... hope this helps
I know this person....she said the exact same thing as you.:laugh:
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Aug 12, 2012 4:54pm
Adderall doesn't effect me like that. Hope it was worth it Haden. SMH
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Aug 12, 2012 5:25pm
Commander of Awesome;1245403 wrote:Adderall doesn't effect me like that. Hope it was worth it Haden. SMH
i use to use it. prescribed, but it was like using a powerful drug, made my heart race, felt like it wanted to jump out of my chest but it put me in the zone. real talk, like nobody could stop me. i could work 24 hours straight before i yawned. its legit and i can see why it is banned, but i can see why he took it, but dumb on his party.
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Aug 12, 2012 5:35pm
Adderal is incredible.

But anyways I just got around to watching the game....yikes
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Aug 12, 2012 6:00pm
Crimson streak;1244909 wrote:The browns receivers are not horrible there just very young. Little should cut down on the drops this year as he didn't play football for a year I think that's what led to a lot of drops. Gordon is a rookie and raw but tge talent is there to be a big time player and Benjamin is a rookie. Massaquoi Is just a china doll and sucks
We'll see. You may be right

Youth really isn't an excuse any more. Many rookies play right away and are more than up for the task.
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Aug 12, 2012 6:05pm
jordo212000;1245432 wrote:We'll see. You may be right

Youth really isn't an excuse any more. Many rookies play right away and are more than up for the task.
Thanks for that valuable and well thought out response trolldo. You fail to mention that WR is the hardest position to transition to from the college game in the NFL (other than QB). Not many rookie WRs come in and "contribute" (I'm sure in your troll mind you mean pro bowl level). It usually takes 3 season, look at Calvin Johnson's stats, took him 3 years to put it all together, and most would agree he's the best WR in the game. Move along passive aggressive dweeb. Can we get this POS thread banned already Wes?
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Aug 12, 2012 7:52pm
^^ i got a warning because of jordo. SMH
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Aug 12, 2012 8:35pm
Commander of Awesome;1245437 wrote:Thanks for that valuable and well thought out response trolldo. You fail to mention that WR is the hardest position to transition to from the college game in the NFL (other than QB). Not many rookie WRs come in and "contribute" (I'm sure in your troll mind you mean pro bowl level). It usually takes 3 season, look at Calvin Johnson's stats, took him 3 years to put it all together, and most would agree he's the best WR in the game. Move along passive aggressive dweeb. Can we get this POS thread banned already Wes?
LOL AJ Green (an exception to the rule) falls into the Bengals lap and all of a sudden he thinks he knows everything about WR's. His fails just keep coming in and are more pathetic by the post.
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Aug 12, 2012 8:36pm
shook_17;1245499 wrote:^^ i got a warning because of jordo. SMH
Nobody likes him, he will be banned from this thread before you know it.
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Aug 12, 2012 8:38pm
like_that;1245520 wrote:LOL AJ Green (an exception to the rule) falls into the Bengals lap and all of a sudden he thinks he knows everything about WR's. His fails just keep coming in and are more pathetic by the post.
Kind of the first thing I thought when I saw the WR quotes.
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Aug 13, 2012 7:28am
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Aug 13, 2012 11:28am
Earlier dress rehearsal

The Browns will use their second preseason game Thursday night on the road against the Green Bay Packers as their dress rehearsal. The third exhibition game is usually designated as the dress rehearsal, but the Browns will face the Philadelphia Eagles in that preseason game and again in the regular-season opener on Sept. 9. Obviously neither team wants to give any secrets away in the preseason.

As a result, Shurmur said the Browns’ starters will play the first half against the Packers.

“The guys that will line up as the ones will play half the game this week, and that’s typical of what happens in most of the third games,” he said. “So the uniqueness of our year is it’s Philadelphia [in the third preseason game and in] our opener. So the guys are lining up as the ones will play around a half this week.”

http://www.ohio.com/blogs/cleveland-browns/cleveland-browns-1.270107/browns-training-camp-news-notes-and-observations-from-practice-1.326585
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Aug 13, 2012 11:55am
I think its so fucking stupid that we have the eagles as the 3rd preseason game and season opener. Smh at the NFL front office


EDIT: I did see on twitter mary kay said 15 players didn't practice yesterday or today and shurmur told them they could even play into the third quarter
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Aug 13, 2012 1:27pm
BR1986FB;1245680 wrote:

I LOL'd.
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Aug 14, 2012 8:00pm
TTT, haven't had a post in this thread since yesterday. Also our LBers are terrible. Hopefully JMJ steps up, Maivia gets hurt/cut, Heckert realizes Fujita can't play at a high level anymore and someone like Acho steps up.
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Aug 14, 2012 8:05pm
Commander of Awesome;1246985 wrote:TTT, haven't had a post in this thread since yesterday. Also our LBers are terrible. Hopefully JMJ steps up, Maivia gets hurt/cut, Heckert realizes Fujita can't play at a high level anymore and someone like Acho steps up.
Saw where the offense looked like complete shit today. Dropped passes right & left. Said it was the worst so far.
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Aug 14, 2012 8:32pm
BR1986FB;1246990 wrote:Saw where the offense looked like complete shit today. Dropped passes right & left. Said it was the worst so far.
I mean not to be negative nancy, but are you guys really expecting a good offense? lol

They didn't improve their WR group with anyone that has proven themselves. Their o-line will have holes. Trent isn't playing right now (obviously he'll be a beast when he gets going, which hopefully will be week 1--ps whats going on with his return date?). Weeden, well you know my thoughts.
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Aug 14, 2012 8:54pm
SportsAndLady;1247015 wrote:I mean not to be negative nancy, but are you guys really expecting a good offense? lol

They didn't improve their WR group with anyone that has proven themselves. Their o-line will have holes. Trent isn't playing right now (obviously he'll be a beast when he gets going, which hopefully will be week 1--ps whats going on with his return date?). Weeden, well you know my thoughts.
I am hoping T-Rich will help keep the defense off the field, and actually open up some plays downfield, but I definitely don't expect this offense to be prolific. It sure as hell won't be if the line looks like it did last game, however I see them patching that up. They have some good leadership in the trenches.
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Aug 14, 2012 9:18pm
SportsAndLady;1247015 wrote:I mean not to be negative nancy, but are you guys really expecting a good offense? lol

They didn't improve their WR group with anyone that has proven themselves. Their o-line will have holes. Trent isn't playing right now (obviously he'll be a beast when he gets going, which hopefully will be week 1--ps whats going on with his return date?). Weeden, well you know my thoughts.
0-16 here we come!
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Aug 14, 2012 9:37pm
Sonofanump;1247057 wrote:0-16 here we come!
Hey can you give us some more info on refereeing? I'm so tuned in when you grace us with your rules knowledge!
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Aug 14, 2012 9:38pm
like_that;1247035 wrote:I am hoping T-Rich will help keep the defense off the field, and actually open up some plays downfield, but I definitely don't expect this offense to be prolific. It sure as hell won't be if the line looks like it did last game, however I see them patching that up. They have some good leadership in the trenches.
I'll re phrase...does anyone expect even a decent offense?
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Aug 14, 2012 9:50pm
SportsAndLady;1247072 wrote:I'll re phrase...does anyone expect even a decent offense?

Decent? Sure. I don't really expect it though, but as noted in my previous post if Richardson and the line control the clock and open up plays, the offense has potential to be decent.
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Aug 14, 2012 10:46pm
2012 Season Preview: Cleveland Browns
Jeff Risdon. 23rd July, 2012 - 5:19 pm

2011 Record:
Point Differential: -89
Turnover Margin: +1
Sack Differential: -6

Offense:
2011 Ranks
Rushing: 28th
Passing: 24th
3rd Down: 11th
Scoring: 30th

QB: It appears the Colt McCoy Era has come to an end with the drafting of Brandon Weeden in the first round. While this might cause some short-term consternation with an exasperated fan base, it is a necessary evil if the Browns ever want to legitimately threaten for an AFC North title. Weeden comes from Oklahoma State with an interesting background, a 28-year old former minor league pitcher who eviscerated the weak pass defenses of the Big 12 the past few years. His arm strength, accuracy on deeper throws, and willingness to attempt a throw into a tight window jumped out as vastly superior to McCoy from the first round of OTAs. Weeden throws the best intermediate and seam route balls of any QB in this past draft class, Andrew Luck included. He is mature enough to handle the locker room right away and his experience will help him deal with the inevitable adversity of trying to lead a perennial doormat to glory in a brutal division.

But there will be blood. At Oklahoma State he ran a shotgun-heavy, quick read offense out of the spread, none of which are remotely familiar in the Pat Shurmur version of the West Coast offense. (rant: there are so many wrinkles and variations to what is commonly referred to as the West Coast offense that the term itself is basically meaningless these days, but I will swim along with the tide that still overuses it.) Weeden lacks mobility to the point where you wonder if he is 38 and not 28. He got rattled by pressure in his face more than some pundits like to see, and he often checked down without giving his receivers enough of a chance to beat their men. The Big 12 was not exactly filled with tough defenses, and many QBs from that conference have underwhelmed in the NFL. I believe Weeden will be a tangible and significant upgrade over McCoy right out of the gate, but I would not put big money on it. The hiring of Brad Childress as the offensive coordinator will help as well, as he is a sage developer of quarterbacks and a no-nonsense type of coach that should mesh well with a similar persona.

What will happen with McCoy is a popular watering hole topic in northeast Ohio this summer. Will the team keep him around as a backup, a rather humiliating demotion but also a chance to save face should Weeden fall flat or get hurt? Will they attempt to trade him to a team in need of an experienced backup with great locker room qualities and consummate professionalism? Or will Team President Mike Holmgren simply sever ties by unceremoniously cutting the 2010 third round pick? I have heard all three as distinct possibilities from different sources around the team.

My current guess is that McCoy will not be with the team in September and Holmgren will opt to go with the more experienced, less controversial Seneca Wallace as the backup. Wallace has spent the last decade in this offensive system and brings the added bonus of mobility. Not that McCoy lacks mobility, but Wallace is more of a threat to tuck and run and has shown better escapability when surprised by the pressure. In limited duty Wallace has provided an occasional spark, but more often than not he was not an upgrade over McCoy. His accuracy can get way out of whack and he has a nasty propensity to not know where the safeties are headed when he looks down the field. Wallace is more expensive than McCoy, which could factor in the decision as well. Thaddeus Lewis would then get the No. 3 role, and the Duke product probably deserves that opportunity.

RB: Not content to start a rookie just at quarterback, the Browns will trot out third overall pick Trent Richardson as the starting running back. He is the best RB prospect to hit the league since Adrian Peterson, and the Browns are effusively optimistic that Richardson can have the same kind of impact. It is not out of the question. Richardson has an outstanding package of speed, power, size, balance, and vision. Most backs have two or three of those qualities, but at Alabama Richardson displayed all of them. Because he split the load in college, his legs are fresh and his knees structurally sound, a rarity these days. He can also catch the ball out of the backfield and does not shy away from blocking. It is hard to not love his potential, and the Browns are banking on him as the centerpiece of what they hope is a quick turnaround.

There is depth behind Richardson, but it all comes with injury issues. Montario Hardesty and Brandon Jackson are both coming off serious injury. Jackson missed all of last season with turf toe after signing as a free agent from Green Bay, while Hardesty got just 15 carries after a 33-attempt Week 7 in which he partially tore his calf muscle. He missed his entire rookie campaign in 2010 after undergoing a full knee reconstruction, and team observers noted he still walks with a distinct limp this summer. Jackson looked good in early OTAs and he has the skill set to handle the change-of-pace back role nicely. He is a good receiver with some natural shiftiness in space, though he is not going to threaten anyone between the tackles. I will continue to wave my flag for Chris Ogbonnaya, who enters camp as the #4 back. I will concede he is terrible in pass protection and has some fumbling issues, but the guy has serious speed and hits the hole with purpose and explosion. He might have a hard time earning a spot over rookie Adonis Thomas, who is a better receiver and runs with the same sort of high-speed, caution-to-the-wind insouciance.

Owen Marecic is the prototypical West Coast (carrying the cliche forward!) offense fullback. He is not a powerful, mauling blocker, but is fairly nimble and can catch the ball. The Browns did not use him much, and the drafting of Brad Smelley, a more accomplished receiver, could make for an interesting camp battle. Marecic was a linebacker in college and could carve out a role as a special teams ace that can backup multiple spots. Smelley cleared holes for Richardson at Alabama and I have heard from a reliable source that Bama coach Nick Saban advised the Browns to keep the pair together. He is more of a hybrid TE/FB, which brings important versatility.