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Sonofanump
Jul 27, 2012 12:34pm
"Banner told PFT Live last month that he’s ideally looking for a place that needs a dramatic turnaround."BR1986FB;1235317 wrote:I mentioned this guy as a possible suitor awhile back I believe...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/27/report-joe-banner-is-part-of-group-buying-browns/
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jul 27, 2012 12:36pm
"Turnaround" likely meaning "bye bye Holmgren, Heckert, Shurmur, etc" even though he may have had previous ties to Heckert & Shurmur in Philly.Sonofanump;1235331 wrote:"Banner told PFT Live last month that he’s ideally looking for a place that needs a dramatic turnaround."
ohiobucks1
Posts: 4,915
Jul 27, 2012 12:39pm
New details: Browns sale close to complete, Lerner gets guarantee team can not move -- http://bit.ly/PRp9sc
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jul 27, 2012 1:16pm
Go4alOngbOmB
Posts: 673
Jul 27, 2012 1:17pm
Why does this whole situation just give me a bad feeling?
In all honesty, is the time period right as training camp STARTS a good time to sell this team? Why would you want to make everyone uneasy with this kind of change? Also why wouldn't you just wait 5-6 months when the season was over with to do this sort of transaction? It isn't like the Lerner family is hurting for cash flow currently.
Just something about this whole situation rubs me wrong. BUT.....if this guy only cares about winning, who knows. It may be what we need. That's why I'm a fan, not an NFL executive.
In all honesty, is the time period right as training camp STARTS a good time to sell this team? Why would you want to make everyone uneasy with this kind of change? Also why wouldn't you just wait 5-6 months when the season was over with to do this sort of transaction? It isn't like the Lerner family is hurting for cash flow currently.
Just something about this whole situation rubs me wrong. BUT.....if this guy only cares about winning, who knows. It may be what we need. That's why I'm a fan, not an NFL executive.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Jul 27, 2012 1:26pm
new owner means bye holgrem bye heckert and bye shurmur and hello to a new rebuilding and new regime. i have a bad feeling about it.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jul 27, 2012 1:31pm
Lerner will double his families' money from the original $500 million+ purchase price plus he's losing money like crazy on Aston Villa.Go4alOngbOmB;1235355 wrote:Why does this whole situation just give me a bad feeling?
In all honesty, is the time period right as training camp STARTS a good time to sell this team? Why would you want to make everyone uneasy with this kind of change? Also why wouldn't you just wait 5-6 months when the season was over with to do this sort of transaction? It isn't like the Lerner family is hurting for cash flow currently.
Just something about this whole situation rubs me wrong. BUT.....if this guy only cares about winning, who knows. It may be what we need. That's why I'm a fan, not an NFL executive.
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Dabatl
Posts: 5
Jul 27, 2012 1:31pm
Interesting information. I don't know if I could handle another rebuild though. The Browns are starting to get some depth and I don't want a new coach and GM coming in and gutting the roster again to fill it with their players.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jul 27, 2012 1:32pm
Most likely the case and unless Weeden sets the world on fire this new regime is probably going to look for "their guy" in the 2013 draft at QB.shook_17;1235368 wrote:new owner means bye holgrem bye heckert and bye shurmur and hello to a new rebuilding and new regime. i have a bad feeling about it.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Jul 27, 2012 1:32pm
I doubt it will be this year. If that does happen, it will be next season, and I only see that happening if the Browns arent improved this year. If they were shitty this year, they would probably be gone next year as well even if Lerner were still the owner.shook_17;1235368 wrote:new owner means bye holgrem bye heckert and bye shurmur and hello to a new rebuilding and new regime. i have a bad feeling about it.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jul 27, 2012 1:38pm
As like_that would say "LOLFAIL on PFT..." that picture of Mayor Frank Jackson sure as Hell looks like Michael Stanley....
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/27/cleveland-mayor-chimes-in-on-fears-of-browns-move/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/27/cleveland-mayor-chimes-in-on-fears-of-browns-move/
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Jul 27, 2012 1:39pm
Well i figured it would be next off season, nothing is going to happen this year. but if all three want a job, they need to go ATLEAST 8-8 to maybe have a chance. only person i could see them keeping is heckert maybe.Pick6;1235375 wrote:I doubt it will be this year. If that does happen, it will be next season, and I only see that happening if the Browns arent improved this year. If they were ****ty this year, they would probably be gone next year as well even if Lerner were still the owner.
either way i think holmgren is gone. retire or fired.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jul 27, 2012 1:55pm
Holmgren to address the media as the Browns are about ready to take the field. Sayonara, Walrus...
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jul 27, 2012 2:13pm
That's a shame if that's what ends up happening. I think Holmgren Heckert is pretty good FO. Patty Boy I'm not a huge fan of, but remains to be seen IMO on what kind of hire that was.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jul 27, 2012 2:19pm
My biggest beef with Holmgren was that there was no sense of urgency. I believe he thought that this was going to be easy and he's wave his magic wand and "poof" Browns are rebuilt.Commander of Awesome;1235417 wrote:That's a shame if that's what ends up happening. I think Holmgren Heckert is pretty good FO. Patty Boy I'm not a huge fan of, but remains to be seen IMO on what kind of hire that was.
They wait until his 3rd year to address a very weak offense. I know this is on Heckert too but there were players that they could pick & choose in free agency that would've made a nice impact. I'm not talking Mario Williams type signings either but good, solid players. Just no urgency.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jul 27, 2012 2:20pm
Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora On the Browns sale, as others have noted lot of speculation former Eagles pres. Joe Banner would be part of Haslam group, w/Holmgren out
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jul 27, 2012 2:23pm
And BTW...John Clayton is a Steeler sack licking piece o' shit.....that is all
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jul 27, 2012 2:25pm
Why si that?
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jul 27, 2012 2:27pm
He's a Steeler shill...from that areaCommander of Awesome;1235425 wrote:Why si that?
John Clayton ‏@ClaytonESPN best line of the day from von RT @von_kovacic: @ClaytonESPN I'm pretty sure the #Steelers already own the #Browns. zing!
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jul 27, 2012 2:29pm
By Pat McManamon and Zac Jackson
FOXSportsOhio.com
Signs point to the sale of the Cleveland Browns being completed this fall.
Sources with knowledge of the talks said discussions to sell the Browns have been taking place since the late spring,, but can’t be completed until October of 2012. That is the expiration date of a 10-year moratorium on selling the team, a moratorium Al Lerner asked of his family before he passed away in October of 2002, according to a source familiar with the inner workings of the Browns front office.
That is one contributing factor in the team’s sale taking place now.
The team would be purchased by Jimmy Haslam, a Tennessee businessman who is a minority owner of the Steelers. Haslam would obviously have to sell his interest in the Steelers before buying the Browns.
Another factor in the sale could be simple timing. Joe Banner resigned as president of the Eagles in the spring with the desire of putting together a group to buy a team.
Howard Eskin of NBC Channel 10 in Philadephia reported that Banner is part of Haslam’s group. Eskin originally reported on June 7 that Banner wanted to buy a team, and the Browns were one that could be bought.
That led the Browns to release a statement that said, “the Browns are not for sale.”
They might not have been … until Haslam’s offer was known.
Nobody knows what Haslam is willing to pay, but the fact that Randy Lerner released a personal statement indicates the sale is real, and the price is fair.
The team will not move, though. The first thing Lerner asked for and received was a guarantee that the team not leave Cleveland.
Another factor in the timing could be that Randy Lerner’s son decided to transfer to a school in New York after attending St. Ignatius as a freshman. Lerner and his son are close, and he had bought a new home in Lakewood in part because he wanted a place that worked for his son and him. The transfer to New York might affect the situation.
During its ownership, the Lerner family dealt with some significant criticism over losing, criticism that hurt Norma Lerner, Al’s wife and Randy’s mother. The family has been extremely generous to the city of Cleveland. The Cleveland Clinic’s breast cancer recovery wing is named after Al and Norma Lerner, and the Lerner Research Institute is at the Clinic’s main campus. Those are just the donations the public is aware of.
The Lerners frequently wondered at what they felt was excessive personal criticism as they tried to right the Browns listing ship.
How the sale affects the team as training camp starts will be interesting to watch.
Lerner said in his statement: “Care has been taken so that this process will not be disruptive to the organization, in particular the football team, as it prepares for the upcoming season.”
But the front office and coaching staff all will be working with an uncertain future, as new ownership often wants to hire its own people.
General manager Tom Heckert worked with Banner in Philadelphia, and coach Pat Shurmur was an assistant with the Eagles when Banner was in the front office.
The Browns opened camp with some excitement about new additions, especially on offense. But the uncertainty about the sale of the team will have an effect. It usually does, no matter how hard people work to see that it doesn’t.
Tags: NFL, browns, cleveland browns web page
FOXSportsOhio.com
Signs point to the sale of the Cleveland Browns being completed this fall.
Sources with knowledge of the talks said discussions to sell the Browns have been taking place since the late spring,, but can’t be completed until October of 2012. That is the expiration date of a 10-year moratorium on selling the team, a moratorium Al Lerner asked of his family before he passed away in October of 2002, according to a source familiar with the inner workings of the Browns front office.
That is one contributing factor in the team’s sale taking place now.
The team would be purchased by Jimmy Haslam, a Tennessee businessman who is a minority owner of the Steelers. Haslam would obviously have to sell his interest in the Steelers before buying the Browns.
Another factor in the sale could be simple timing. Joe Banner resigned as president of the Eagles in the spring with the desire of putting together a group to buy a team.
Howard Eskin of NBC Channel 10 in Philadephia reported that Banner is part of Haslam’s group. Eskin originally reported on June 7 that Banner wanted to buy a team, and the Browns were one that could be bought.
That led the Browns to release a statement that said, “the Browns are not for sale.”
They might not have been … until Haslam’s offer was known.
Nobody knows what Haslam is willing to pay, but the fact that Randy Lerner released a personal statement indicates the sale is real, and the price is fair.
The team will not move, though. The first thing Lerner asked for and received was a guarantee that the team not leave Cleveland.
Another factor in the timing could be that Randy Lerner’s son decided to transfer to a school in New York after attending St. Ignatius as a freshman. Lerner and his son are close, and he had bought a new home in Lakewood in part because he wanted a place that worked for his son and him. The transfer to New York might affect the situation.
During its ownership, the Lerner family dealt with some significant criticism over losing, criticism that hurt Norma Lerner, Al’s wife and Randy’s mother. The family has been extremely generous to the city of Cleveland. The Cleveland Clinic’s breast cancer recovery wing is named after Al and Norma Lerner, and the Lerner Research Institute is at the Clinic’s main campus. Those are just the donations the public is aware of.
The Lerners frequently wondered at what they felt was excessive personal criticism as they tried to right the Browns listing ship.
How the sale affects the team as training camp starts will be interesting to watch.
Lerner said in his statement: “Care has been taken so that this process will not be disruptive to the organization, in particular the football team, as it prepares for the upcoming season.”
But the front office and coaching staff all will be working with an uncertain future, as new ownership often wants to hire its own people.
General manager Tom Heckert worked with Banner in Philadelphia, and coach Pat Shurmur was an assistant with the Eagles when Banner was in the front office.
The Browns opened camp with some excitement about new additions, especially on offense. But the uncertainty about the sale of the team will have an effect. It usually does, no matter how hard people work to see that it doesn’t.
Tags: NFL, browns, cleveland browns web page
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Jul 27, 2012 2:34pm
With the first pick of the 2013 draft...the Cleveland Browns select Matt Barkley.....
FML....here we go.
FML....here we go.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jul 27, 2012 2:37pm
This could now be a distinct possibility...but if it happens I'd rather have a better QB.wes_mantooth;1235431 wrote:With the first pick of the 2013 draft...the Cleveland Browns select Matt Barkley.....
FML....here we go.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jul 27, 2012 2:42pm
In some interesting news from around the division, it looks like the Rats could have an issue. Bryant McKinnie, who was penciled in as Flacco's backside protection (left tackle) has been a no show at training camp and word is that his days are numbered in CrackWhoreVille. The Rats O-Line is already somewhat shaky. This doesn't help matters.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jul 27, 2012 2:43pm
Love it.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Jul 27, 2012 2:48pm
my bad...BR1986FB;1235433 wrote:This could now be a distinct possibility...but if it happens I'd rather have a better QB.
"with the first pick in the 2013 draft...the Cleveland Browns select....Braxton Miller....quarterback....THE Ohio State University."