DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
May 9, 2012 8:07pm
you are comparing baseball, where players are drafted and then sent to the minors to hone their craft, to football where players are drafted in the first round to start immediately. Complete fail on your part and earning your "the worst" competition status.Footwedge;1166267 wrote:That's your rebuttle? Earnin your name Dorkie I see.
You and others have stated the ridiculous claim that Weedon has to start because he was a high draft choice. Well, sorry, it doesn't work that way...in sports or in life. He who puts up numbers wins. When you get into the real world you'll understand that.
Now KGFY.
and it's durkie, moran.
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Sonofanump
May 9, 2012 10:12pm
I think Roger Staubach had a pretty good career for starting late in life.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 9, 2012 11:08pm
LOL, that was hilarious...does that guy like every pick!? You're gonna sit there w/ a straight face and say that Brad Smelley is gonna catch 40 balls?BR1986FB;1165936 wrote:This guy is very well respected in scouting/drafting circles..
Russell Lande ‏ @RUSSLANDE
Love Browns 1st 3 picks as Richardson, Weeden & Schwartz should start in 2012. Also, like a number of the Browns other picks ...
Russell Lande ‏ @RUSSLANDE
Like Browns pick of slot wr T. Benjamin as he is explosive & elusive with big play ability when he gets ball in open field.
Russell Lande ‏ @RUSSLANDE
Browns get good value with pick of LB JM Johnson as he has talent to start as OLB or ILB for them & should challenge to do so as rookie.
Russell Lande ‏ @RUSSLANDE
With Boise St having so many good players, I believe DE B. Winn was overlooked & has starters potential for Browns.
Russell Lande ‏ @RUSSLANDE
Do not be shocked if the Browns last pick B. Smelley make an impact catching 40+ passes as he is a versatile receiving threat.
Russell Lande ‏ @RUSSLANDE
@Ruyf - The Browns average draft grade came to 6.04 which is 7th of all the teams this year. I will post all team grades within week.
Russell Lande ‏ @RUSSLANDE
@GregLema - I thought Hughes was more of a late round / free agent type, but he showed much better athleticism in workout then expected.
Russell Lande ‏ @RUSSLANDE
@rajivbais - Smelley is an H-Back, TE & fullback who excels athletically & really is a good receiving threat.
What are you talking about? The age thing is about 4th on the worries towards him. He's just not that good. He played in a conference that was so pass heavy, of course you're gonna look good when you're "pretty good" But Big 12 pretty good doesn't translate too well in the NFL--history shows that. Name a couple good Big 12 QBs lately..BR1986FB;1165987 wrote:Just like the odds of Barkley, Luck & RG3 busting out vs being a 'Super Bowl contending, elite QB" could also be high. You never know what they've got UNTIL they play.
You're conveniently omitting the fact that IF Weeden is 22-23 he's a top 5 pick in this draft. Some think he's more ready than Luck, who is considered the "sure thing" in some facets of his game. But he has a better chance of "busting" because of your prejudice against his age.
Your "suck for <insert name of "the next big thing at QB>" mentality doesn't guarantee landing a "Super Bowl contending, elite QB" either. But at least we know two of the people on here who'd rather see them lose than try to improve.
Also, look at his stats when he was "hurried" in the pocket. He was atrocious. The Big 12 is about quick passes, and YAC. I could get out there and throw a fucking bubble screen. But when there was a little pressure on him, he wasn't good. It was a terrible pick.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
May 9, 2012 11:47pm
LOL at s&l. Like he knows how Weedon will do. He ripped Texas, Stanford, and Oklahoma's defenses apart. But he's guaranteed to suck because he played in a certain conference. God I love this place.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
May 9, 2012 11:48pm
Yeah...but he proved himself by playing in a really tough conference....oh wait...Sonofanump;1166374 wrote:I think Roger Staubach had a pretty good career for starting late in life.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
May 10, 2012 1:50am
I wanted nothing to do with Weeden in the first 2 rounds at the very least.
I was a bit pissed after we took him at 22, but as the night went on I talked myself into the pick and weighed his physical and mental attributes to Colt's. I came away a bit happier after the process.
Weeden has to start and HAS to give us at least 6 or 7 LEGIT years as a starting QB. I'm not going to be unreal and say the guy has to be a top 10 QB annually.
I read scouting reports and offensive analysis on his offense in OKST and it made me feel a lot better. He basically created the offense and learned it very quickly. Not only that, but it was created on the basis of making multiple, quick reads. Something that should translate into the NFL game.
I was a bit pissed after we took him at 22, but as the night went on I talked myself into the pick and weighed his physical and mental attributes to Colt's. I came away a bit happier after the process.
Weeden has to start and HAS to give us at least 6 or 7 LEGIT years as a starting QB. I'm not going to be unreal and say the guy has to be a top 10 QB annually.
I read scouting reports and offensive analysis on his offense in OKST and it made me feel a lot better. He basically created the offense and learned it very quickly. Not only that, but it was created on the basis of making multiple, quick reads. Something that should translate into the NFL game.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
May 10, 2012 5:13am
JMJ endearing himself to the fans after signing his contract...
@Johnsonjm52: I'm taking my talents to Cleveland!
@Johnsonjm52: I'm taking my talents to Cleveland!
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
May 10, 2012 5:16am
Well...considering he's a former scout and has no real ties (biases) toward the team, I'll accept his opinion over the "LOL'ing/can't win if you're a QB from the Big 12" crowd. :rolleyes:SportsAndLady;1166425 wrote:LOL, that was hilarious...does that guy like every pick!? You're gonna sit there w/ a straight face and say that Brad Smelley is gonna catch 40 balls?
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
May 10, 2012 7:50am
So it sounds like part of the reason for "moving on" from the Colt McCoy era might have had something to do with a difference of opinion between Shurmur & McCoy on how the offense should be run. Shurmur wanted it done a specific way and McCoy had the "this is how we did it at Texas" mentality (per OBR). Not exactly the way to endear yourself to your new HC.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
May 10, 2012 7:55am
BR1986FB;1166527 wrote:So it sounds like part of the reason for "moving on" from the Colt McCoy era might have had something to do with a difference of opinion between Shurmur & McCoy on how the offense should be run. Shurmur wanted it done a specific way and McCoy had the "this is how we did it at Texas" mentality (per OBR). Not exactly the way to endear yourself to your new HC.
Who gives a shit? The McCoy era is over, time to move on. I don't understand why anyone is discussing him any more.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
May 10, 2012 7:58am
maybe, but with this front office...I wouldn't put it past them to keep him on the roster and have a qb competition....blahlike_that;1166529 wrote:Who gives a shit? The McCoy era is over, time to move on. I don't understand why anyone is discussing him any more.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
May 10, 2012 8:00am
This would be a HORRIBLE mistake.wes_mantooth;1166532 wrote:maybe, but with this front office...I wouldn't put it past them to keep him on the roster and have a qb competition....blah
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
May 10, 2012 8:00am
agreed. There is no way of justifying it eitherBR1986FB;1166533 wrote:This would be a HORRIBLE mistake.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
May 10, 2012 8:01am
amen. on to the next one. McCoy is all but done in cleveland.like_that;1166529 wrote:Who gives a ****? The McCoy era is over, time to move on. I don't understand why anyone is discussing him any more.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
May 10, 2012 8:06am
Just thought some might want more insight...that it wasn't just his horrible play that sealed his fate. I always thought he played the "good soldier" but maybe that wasn't the case? Like you said...time to move on but thought that blurb was interesting.like_that;1166529 wrote:Who gives a shit? The McCoy era is over, time to move on. I don't understand why anyone is discussing him any more.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 10, 2012 8:16am
Lol that probably never happened...the reason for "moving on" from McCoy is just that he isn't very good, not some conspiracy theory.BR1986FB;1166527 wrote:So it sounds like part of the reason for "moving on" from the Colt McCoy era might have had something to do with a difference of opinion between Shurmur & McCoy on how the offense should be run. Shurmur wanted it done a specific way and McCoy had the "this is how we did it at Texas" mentality (per OBR). Not exactly the way to endear yourself to your new HC.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
May 10, 2012 8:30am
Oh, I'm sure (as I said) that it was mostly due to his poor play but being the "pouter" that he is, I could see McCoy questioning/challenging Shurmur.SportsAndLady;1166539 wrote:Lol that probably never happened...the reason for "moving on" from McCoy is just that he isn't very good, not some conspiracy theory.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
May 10, 2012 8:34am
I read it on OBR as well, and unlike Tony Grossi, they don't usually post hearsay, rumor, and sci fi.SportsAndLady;1166539 wrote:Lol that probably never happened...the reason for "moving on" from McCoy is just that he isn't very good, not some conspiracy theory.
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
May 10, 2012 8:36am
I have a hard time believing McCoy was challenging shurmur on offense. Even if he was, good, shurmur was fucking awful at calling plays. He deserves to be questioned.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 10, 2012 8:39am
BR1986FB;1166551 wrote:Oh, I'm sure (as I said) that it was mostly due to his poor play but being the "pouter" that he is, I could see McCoy questioning/challenging Shurmur.
Excuse me if I don't believe message board rumorsCommander of Awesome;1166554 wrote:I read it on OBR as well, and unlike Tony Grossi, they don't usually post hearsay, rumor, and sci fi.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 10, 2012 8:39am
Solid point lolRotinaj;1166557 wrote:I have a hard time believing McCoy was challenging shurmur on offense. Even if he was, good, shurmur was fucking awful at calling plays. He deserves to be questioned.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
May 10, 2012 8:40am
Excuse me if I'm skeptical of message board armchair GM's and head coaches...SportsAndLady;1166562 wrote:Excuse me if I don't believe message board rumors
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
May 10, 2012 8:40am
Its not a message board. There is one on the site, but that's not where this info came from.SportsAndLady;1166562 wrote:Excuse me if I don't believe message board rumors
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 10, 2012 8:42am
OhCommander of Awesome;1166565 wrote:Its not a message board. There is one on the site, but that's not where this info came from.
OBR is not my thing, never even been on that site.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
May 10, 2012 8:43am
Yeah, that info wasn't posted in their public forum.Commander of Awesome;1166565 wrote:Its not a message board. There is one on the site, but that's not where this info came from.