2012 Cleveland Browns thread: AKA Pat Shurmur Memorial thread

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Apr 26, 2012 9:54am
Charlie Casserly just reported Buffalo offered their 1st & 2nd to Minnesota.
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Apr 26, 2012 9:58am
BR1986FB;1153349 wrote:Not sure if it's a bunch of retweets but my buddy just told me that there were a bunch of tweets from various analysts saying it's either going to be Richardson at 4 or the trade down to 16 with the Jets.

I will kill myself if we drop to 16. Give me a god damn elite player
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Apr 26, 2012 9:59am
wes_mantooth;1153359 wrote:I will kill myself if we drop to 16. Give me a god damn elite player
There are no "elite" players at 4.
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Apr 26, 2012 10:02am
BR1986FB;1153356 wrote:Charlie Casserly just reported Buffalo offered their 1st & 2nd to Minnesota.
That's no deal. Only a second to move down 7 spots and miss out on a franchise left tackle or cornerback?
Not sure if it's a bunch of retweets but my buddy just told me that there were a bunch of tweets from various analysts saying it's either going to be Richardson at 4 or the trade down to 16 with the Jets.
There will be a riot in Berea if Richardson is on the board and the Browns trade that pick to the Jets. Heckert and Holmgren will be run straight out of town, and it won't be pretty.
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Apr 26, 2012 10:05am
BR1986FB;1153361 wrote:There are no "elite" players at 4.

Agreed.
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Apr 26, 2012 10:05am
wes_mantooth;1153359 wrote:I will kill myself if we drop to 16. Give me a god damn elite player
Yeah, I think there is an urge, because of the attention and craziness that comes with the early part of the draft, to do something different but then you end up overthinking the process. Take Richardson at No. 4, by far the most elite running back in the draft and then move on. Don't make it harder than it is.
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Apr 26, 2012 10:05am
IggyPride00;1153365 wrote:That's no deal. Only a second to move down 7 spots and miss out on a franchise left tackle or cornerback?



There will be a riot in Berea if Richardson is on the board and the Browns trade that pick to the Jets. Heckert and Holmgren will be run straight out of town, and it won't be pretty.

Smh, iggy. No there will not be.
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Apr 26, 2012 10:07am
IggyPride00;1153365 wrote:There will be a riot in Berea if Richardson is on the board and the Browns trade that pick to the Jets. Heckert and Holmgren will be run straight out of town, and it won't be pretty.
Sounds like you're listening to Cleveland Radio. You heading to the 480 bridge?
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Apr 26, 2012 10:09am
Commander of Awesome;1153375 wrote:Sounds like you're listening to Cleveland Radio. You heading to the 480 bridge?
I'm not. XM Radio FTW, bitches!!!:laugh:
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Apr 26, 2012 10:10am
Dr. KnOiTaLL;1153351 wrote:I'm also seeing a lot of talk about the Bills being VERY interested in moving up to #3 to take Kalil, so that may drive the price up for anyone wanting to move up for Richardson. I can't help but like our odds at landing the unquestionable #1 RB in this class.
Also heard if TB leap frogs us to 3 for Richardson then Bills will talk to us next via Mike and Mike this morning
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Apr 26, 2012 10:10am
Then we could grab Floyd at 10
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Apr 26, 2012 10:16am
BR1986FB;1153379 wrote:I'm not. XM Radio FTW, bitches!!!:laugh:
Yeah I love SiriusXM Radio... Im debating if I want to continue my subscription just don't know if I'll be able to since I will be moving in a month.

Lol at Iggy...
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Apr 26, 2012 10:18am
Iliketurtles;1153399 wrote:Yeah I love SiriusXM Radio... Im debating if I want to continue my subscription just don't know if I'll be able to since I will be moving in a month.

Lol at Iggy...
I'd hold off if you can. My boss left and got a "we want you back" special $99/year coupon e-mailed to him.
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Apr 26, 2012 10:21am
BR1986FB;1153400 wrote:I'd hold off if you can. My boss left and got a "we want you back" special $99/year coupon e-mailed to him.
Yeah that what I was planning on doing my subscription expires in like a week... I just hope they will give me some kind of offer before I move in June... having Sirius will really help with my 9 hour drive lol.
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Apr 26, 2012 10:22am
BR1986FB;1153361 wrote:There are no "elite" players at 4.

Completely false
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Apr 26, 2012 10:26am
If they do decide to go back if a team comes up to get Richardson, how about getting Floyd, Stephen Hill/Reuben Randle, Riley Reiff or Doug Martin/LaMar Miller? They can use some of their other draft picks to come back up and take Reiff in the mid-latter of the 1st, and use their second rounders on either of the wr/rbs.
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Apr 26, 2012 10:30am
wes_mantooth;1153412 wrote:Completely false
Not really. Who then? Blackmon? Sorry...not better than Julio Jones or AJ Green and I wouldn't call Jones "elite." Kalil? Very good LT but not as good as LT's considered "elite" like Joe Thomas. Richardson? Very, very good back but he's not going to take the franchise to the next level. Nor will Claiborne.

Just don't see "value" for what is available at 4. You don't just "pick" to say you took a player. I like Richardson but I'm VERY skeptical on how he will be used in this offense. Blackmon is solid but I don't see him as a game changer like others do. Would rather just trade down and maximize value.
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Apr 26, 2012 10:31am
BR1986FB;1153361 wrote:There are no "elite" players at 4.
Disagree. I see five elite players at the top.
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Apr 26, 2012 10:31am
I'd say DeCastro and Richardson are Elite. I disagree, I think Claiborne and Kalil are elite as well.
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Apr 26, 2012 10:31am
BR1986FB;1153423 wrote:Not really. Who then? Blackmon? Sorry...not better than Julio Jones or AJ Green and I wouldn't call Jones "elite." Kalil? Very good LT but not as good as LT's considered "elite" like Joe Thomas. Richardson? Very, very good back but he's not going to take the franchise to the next level. Nor will Claiborne.

Just don't see "value" for what is available at 4. You don't just "pick" to say you took a player. I like Richardson but I'm VERY skeptical on how he will be used in this offense. Blackmon is solid but I don't see him as a game changer like others do. Would rather just trade down and maximize value.
Lol...sorry, but I don't agree with any of that.

I like Claiborne, Blackmon, trich.....in any draft
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Apr 26, 2012 10:33am
I like Richardson but I'm VERY skeptical on how he will be used in this offense.
That is different from saying he is not elite. He is the best back grade wise to enter the draft since AP according to what most of the analysts are saying. If that is not elite, than no such thing exists.

If this coaching staff can't effectively use him, then they should all be fired as he is an elite talent at RB.
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Apr 26, 2012 10:41am
IggyPride00;1153430 wrote:That is different from saying he is not elite. He is the best back grade wise to enter the draft since AP according to what most of the analysts are saying. If that is not elite, than no such thing exists.

If this coaching staff can't effectively use him, then they should all be fired as he is an elite talent at RB.
I've seen a lot of AP comparisons. I don't think that's accurate. He doesn't have nearly the explosiveness but he is a powerfully built runner and tough to tackle and therefore he will wear on a defense. It's just going to be a lot of downhill running, 5-10-15 yards increments. And the pass-catching ability is a plus, too.

As everyone knows, you need a good, strong running back in the AFC North and Richardson seems about as ideal an AFC North running back as you're going to see. I agree with your last sentence, if he doesn't fit with the Browns' concept, you have to wonder a little bit if they get it.
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Apr 26, 2012 10:45am
Also, if it turns to be trich, I will be so much happier than I would have been with rg3 and the loss of all the picks.
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Apr 26, 2012 10:48am
wes_mantooth;1153451 wrote:Also, if it turns to be trich, I will be so much happier than I would have been with rg3 and the loss of all the picks.
Depends on how RG3 pans out. QB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RB.