I wouldn't be upset if we lost richardson. I certainly want him but blackmon is a fine alternative.

SportsAndLady;1152560 wrote:I wouldn't be upset if we lost richardson. I certainly want him but Kalil/Claiborne/trade back is a fine alternative.

FIFY

Commander of Awesome;1152563 wrote:FIFY

you would take Kalil or Clairbone over Blackmon?

Pick6;1152568 wrote:you would take Kalil or Clairbone over Blackmon?

Yes. I would take many over over blackmon.

Pick6;1152568 wrote:you would take Kalil or Clairbone over Blackmon?

I know it wasn't directed toward me but I really don't want ANY of those guys. I'd pray to trade down at that point.

Commander of Awesome;1152570 wrote:Yes. I would take many over over blackmon.

I get that you think Blackmon is just another Anquan Boldin or whatever. With that said, drafting him would still be the best pick the team could make (granted Richardson is gone). Draft a LT to play RT? No thanks. Draft a retard, who would play a position where we have a player that has shown some potential (Skrine)? No thanks. Blackmon would be the best pick in the scenario where we could not trade back. I'd prefer trading back and taking Floyd, however.

SportsAndLady;1152560 wrote:I wouldn't be upset if we lost richardson. I certainly want him but blackmon is a fine alternative.

I would be extremely upset.

The gap between Richardson and the next best running back is larger than the talent gap at any other position between the top and 2nd best prospects.

I tell ya, if the Jets move up from 16 to 3 along with some of the other silly moves they've done (trying to create an all-star team in free agency a few years ago, Tebow trade, now this), I'm starting to think that Tannenbaum & Company are getting as stupid as Snyder and the Redskins.

BR1986FB;1152582 wrote:I tell ya, if the Jets move up from 16 to 3 along with some of the other silly moves they've done (trying to create an all-star team in free agency a few years ago, Tebow trade, now this), I'm starting to think that Tannenbaum & Company are getting as stupid as Snyder and the Redskins.

you think them trading up to draft Richardson is a stupid move, or you just don't want it to happen because you want the Browns to get him? I have no problem what the Jets do. They made it to the AFC Championship two years straight with a shitty quarterback. What they do seems to be working, IMO.

Definitely no where near the level of Snyder. The Jets actually have some results.

Pick6;1152584 wrote:you think them trading up to draft Richardson is a stupid move, or you just don't want it to happen because you want the Browns to get him? I have no problem what the Jets do. They made it to the AFC Championship two years straight with a shitty quarterback. What they do seems to be working, IMO.

Definitely no where near the level of Snyder. The Jets actually have some results.

I agree with BR it's a slippery slope they are taking.

Pick6;1152584 wrote:you think them trading up to draft Richardson is a stupid move, or you just don't want it to happen because you want the Browns to get him? I have no problem what the Jets do. They made it to the AFC Championship two years straight with a shitty quarterback. What they do seems to be working, IMO.

Definitely no where near the level of Snyder. The Jets actually have some results.

I don't really care if the Browns get him or not. I've wanted to trade down for awhile now. Once RGIII was off the board I didn't want anyone at that spot, to be honest. Tannenbaum has just done some whacky shit along with Rex Ryan, of course.

Speaking of that trade with the Jets...what if the "better offer than the Browns got from the Falcons" deal is with the Jets? Browns move down to 16? The fan base would probably have a shitfit.

If the Browns move down to 16 it better be an absolute trade rape. We get the #16, their 2nd rounder and 3rd rounder, and their first pick and second pick next year too.

sleeper;1152608 wrote:If the Browns move down to 16 it better be an absolute trade rape. We get the #16, their 2nd rounder and 3rd rounder, and their first pick and second pick next year too.

Adkins said the take from the supposed offer would be "better than what they got from Atlanta last year" so I'd have to imagine someone would be bleeding from their behind. And Heckert pretty much had that Atlanta deal in place before draft night last year.

BR1986FB;1152611 wrote:Adkins said the take from the supposed offer would be "better than what they got from Atlanta last year" so I'd have to imagine someone would be bleeding from their behind. And Heckert pretty much had that Atlanta deal in place before draft night last year.

I sure hope so. I really want Richardson, so if he's on the board and we decide to trade back, I want the whole farm.

I don't wanna trade the pick. We already have 13 picks and getting the jets #1 next year likely means a mid 20's pick. We need Richardson. IMO

sleeper;1152614 wrote:I sure hope so. I really want Richardson, so if he's on the board and we decide to trade back, I want the whole farm.

Could also be players involved. Anyone besides Revis/Mangold you'd like from that roster?

Midstate01;1152621 wrote:I don't wanna trade the pick. We already have 13 picks and getting the jets #1 next year likely means a mid 20's pick. We need Richardson. IMO

I kinda feel this way too. At some point they need to cash in these picks. And by most accounts, next years draft is much weaker

Count me in on the "don't effing trade down" wagon. If Richardson is gone you take Blackmon, Claiborne, or Kalil. This is a team that needs IMPACT players.

Pick6;1152575 wrote:I get that you think Blackmon is just another Anquan Boldin or whatever. With that said, drafting him would still be the best pick the team could make (granted Richardson is gone). Draft a LT to play RT? No thanks. Draft a retard, who would play a position where we have a player that has shown some potential (Skrine)? No thanks. Blackmon would be the best pick in the scenario where we could not trade back. I'd prefer trading back and taking Floyd, however.

Then draft someone else, a good pass rushing DE, etc... Blackmon and Floyd would be a huge reach IMO. We could get a better WR in the 20s. Also Skrine is not a starting CB, he's a nickel guy at best.

wes_mantooth;1152626 wrote:I kinda feel this way too. At some point they need to cash in these picks. And by most accounts, next years draft is much weaker

Precisely their point if they feel this years draft is stronger. Accumulate more picks (2nd/3rd/4th rounders) to use as more ammo to move up for guys in the 1st/2nd/3rd.

Final 2012 NFL Draft Notes
Authored by Jeff Risdon - 25th April, 2012 - 1:15 pm

I have spoken with, exchanged texts and emails, and tweeted back and forth with a few NFL scouts, coaches and front office personnel over the past few days trying to glean every possible morsel of draft information. Here are some notes:

-- One AFC West front office staffer told me his team believes the generally accepted top-five order of Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III, Matt Kalil, Trent Richardson and Morris Claiborne "is destined to play out that way." He did add his own team has inquired about moving up to one of those spots but the asking price was "prohibitive" and "ridiculous". He would not elaborate, but added the team is "comfortable with what we'll get" at their current slot and thinks the 2nd round will feature more trades than the first.

-- A scout from that same team told me they wound up without having a tight end rated in the first two rounds. He was indignant about Colby Fleener going in the first, "We'd be thrilled if that happens. Better player drops to us...Fleener is nothing more than a #2 tight end in a good offense." I should point out this scout is not a western area scout.

-- A position coach from an AFC team was somewhat critical of the offensive tackle crop. I offered to him that I felt Kalil was somewhat overhyped and he agreed but added "if you need a left tackle right now, he's the only guy in this draft. He can start this year and play for a long time". His abridged opinions on other tackles:

-- Mike Adams: "Not worth the headaches. Sometimes he's great. But I don't trust him."

-- Riley Reiff: "Good player. Love him when he gets those big paws engaged. Most of what I don't like about him, I can fix it. But he is going to be so much better on the right side."

-- Bobby Massie: "I see why some people like him but man does he need a lot of work. I'm not sure they knew what they had or what do with him (at Ole Miss). I've never seen a guy with that quick of feet and that slow of hands...When we talked to him in Indy (at the Combine) it came across like he didn't know what he doesn't know. There is a lot to like there but man, it's going to take some work to get all that to come together."

-- Cordy Glenn: "He's a real thick guy with some ability but he's got an issue. He pass protects like a guard and he run blocks like a tackle. I want it the other way around. I like him better inside. I wouldn't mind coaching him."

-- But my personal favorite assessment was regarding Jonathan Martin: "Bad body...comes across as complacent and soft on tape. I have no idea what to do with him. He can't anchor, but he can't really move either...I try not to speak up in draft meetings to ding a guy, but when we were doing our second day run through, I did about (Martin). I said I don't want any part of him with that kind of expectation (intimated by draft slot)".

-- A NFC scout surprised me when I asked him about Chandler Jones. I've been openly critical of Jones and genuinely do not understand the talk about him going in the top 40, but this scout advised me his team "has real interest" in Jones in the first round. When I pressed him for a deeper explanation he didn't offer much other than talking about his length and athletic potential. I guess I need to accept the inevitable; Jones is going in the top 40, probably the top 25.

-- Look for a big and deep run on wide receivers and cornerbacks on Friday. As many as 24 of the 63 picks in round 2-3 could come from those positions. Add in at least four RBs (David Wilson, Lamar Miller, Isaiah Pead, LaMichael James) and three QBs (Brock Osweiler, Kirk Cousins, maybe Brandon Weeden) and that doesn't leave a lot of room for linemen.

-- I asked a couple of different people about guys who are perceived fallers, Dontari Poe and Quentin Coples. Both sources confirmed they believe it. I asked for landing spots and the opinions were pretty similar; Poe could stick in the teens but probably slides into the 20s, while Coples is either going #9 to Carolina (as I suggested in the penultimate mock) or he's going to be sitting a long time, perhaps overnight. I'll believe that when I see it but I do think it could.

-- It sounds like there is less trade chatter going on, particularly in the middle of the first round. As one front office staffer (the same as mentioned earlier) told me, the lack of big gaps in talent level aren't forcing teams' hands. That doesn't mean there won't be moves, but the moves involved will come with specific positions targeted, and those positions will be ones where there is a big dropoff from one tier to the next, safety and cornerback. Mark Barron is the only first round safety, while there appears to be a bigger chasm than most believe between the first tier corners (Morris Claiborne, Stephon Gilmore, Dre Kirkpatrick) and the second tier. If there are moves in the 7-20 range, expect it to be for those guys.

-- I got two answers for my requests for guesses at Mr. Irrelevant. One scout picked Ouachita Baptist TE Philip Supernaw, while a front office staffer gave me Purdue OL Nick Mondek. I confess to knowing nothing about Supernaw other than I've heard his name somewhere once. I'm sticking with my choice of Old Dominion DT Ronnie Cameron.[LEFT]
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Nice read

BR1986FB;1152624 wrote:Could also be players involved. Anyone besides Revis/Mangold you'd like from that roster?

If the Jets are looking to get TRich, they are looking to move on from Shonn Greene? He's pretty solid, IMO.

Pretty nice read... The end of the article gave me an interesting idea though get like 5-10 people and throw in 5-20 bucks and pick a player who you think will be Mr. Irrelevant and if someone gets it right they get the money lol.

So it sounds like, thanks to St. Louis setting the precedent, the price to move into the top 4 is unrealistic for a majority of organizations... I like the sound of that! Don't settle for less!