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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 5, 2012 7:51pm
LOL...he won't get fired. Who's going to fire him, the fans? I'm sure Holmgren will be all in on whatever Heckert does. He won't drop to the 3rd.like_that;1138136 wrote:Heckert will be getting fired then. Also who the hell would pick him after 22, he drops to the 3rd or 4th round easily if the Browns and Miami stay away from him.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 5, 2012 7:57pm
This.hoops23;1138139 wrote:If the Browns take a 28 year old QB at 22 it will be the worst draft pick in the history of the universe.
Cue a few posters missing the exaggeration of your post.
I am not talking about fired right away lol, but that type of draft pick will eventually lead to him getting fired, because it will be a waste of pick that will set the team back even further.BR1986FB;1138141 wrote:LOL...he won't get fired. Who's going to fire him, the fans? I'm sure Holmgren will be all in on whatever Heckert does. He won't drop to the 3rd.
Also, as I said earlier, if Holmgren really is going to leave, then he can go fuck himself as far as im concerned and gtfo with any input. Don't need that dipshit negatively affecting the team before he bolts.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Apr 5, 2012 8:00pm
Our first 4 picks need to include...
RB/WR/OL/OLB
RB/WR/OL/OLB
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Apr 5, 2012 8:01pm
Agreed.DeyDurkie5;1138146 wrote:Our first 4 picks need to include...
RB/WR/OL/OLB
This Tannenhill/Weeden bullshit needs to die, unless it's just decoy bullshit.
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buckeyes_woowee
Posts: 512
Apr 5, 2012 8:26pm
I don't understand the hate for Weeden. Is it just because he is 28? He is the most pro ready QB in the draft. (other than Luck) Guy can come in and start right now.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Apr 5, 2012 8:30pm
It's not so much the hate for him as it is other needs on the team. We have a pretty strong need at RT, RB, WR, OLB. With those first four picks, we could fill those holes with starters immediately. Weeden might be a good starter, but we need other areas to be filled immediately to help out the QB situation. With our line, receivers, and RB's Weeden wouldn't do shit.buckeyes_woowee;1138167 wrote:I don't understand the hate for Weeden. Is it just because he is 28? He is the most pro ready QB in the draft. (other than Luck) Guy can come in and start right now.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 5, 2012 8:30pm
Sure he is "NFL ready" but he's not that good...why would you waste your first round pick on a guy that will make you go 7-9 instead of 4-12? Why not go 4-12 and either a) draft your franchise QB w/ your first pick, probably 5-10 or b) bundle some picks and move up to take Barkley.buckeyes_woowee;1138167 wrote:I don't understand the hate for Weeden. Is it just because he is 28? He is the most pro ready QB in the draft. (other than Luck) Guy can come in and start right now.
"NFL ready" is great and all if there is no ceiling to the QB's potential. Weeden will never be more than an average QB. No thanks.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 5, 2012 8:30pm
Regardless of his age, he is not impressive to me. Why is he the most pro ready QB, because he is 28? I can turn that same question on you. But really, I don't get where people say he is the most pro ready QB lol.buckeyes_woowee;1138167 wrote:I don't understand the hate for Weeden. Is it just because he is 28? He is the most pro ready QB in the draft. (other than Luck) Guy can come in and start right now.
If he was the most pro ready QB he would be considered a higher prospect than the other QBs.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Apr 5, 2012 10:50pm
"NFL Ready"....I remember that being tossed around about Failbiskie. Turned out means its a nice way of saying the kid can't play. No thanks on Weeden.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 6, 2012 5:09am
Ummm...QB is a "need" too.DeyDurkie5;1138168 wrote:It's not so much the hate for him as it is other needs on the team. We have a pretty strong need at RT, RB, WR, OLB. With those first four picks, we could fill those holes with starters immediately. Weeden might be a good starter, but we need other areas to be filled immediately to help out the QB situation. With our line, receivers, and RB's Weeden wouldn't do shit.
If the rumored "trade down" happens, these holes WILL be filled and Weeden will have the weapons around him.
What Weeden brings to the table that the current QB does not is that threat to beat you over the top. So they draft T-Rich, a WR and a RT?....NOTHING will change with the offense if they stay the course at QB. Defenses will STILL load up the box to stop Richardson, dare McCoy to beat them down the field (which he WON'T do) and people will STILL be bitching about this "anemic offense." The SOONER they get that problem solved, the BETTER.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 6, 2012 5:13am
Well apparently Cam Newton & Andy Dalton were "NFL Ready" too and I think Weeden might be better than Dalton.Commander of Awesome;1138300 wrote:"NFL Ready"....I remember that being tossed around about Failbiskie. Turned out means its a nice way of saying the kid can't play. No thanks on Weeden.
People want to bitch at this guys age and "it will take two to three years for him to be effective, blah, blah, blah". If I'm correct, he wrote the damn playbook for Oklahoma State's incoming offensive coordinator so he's no dunce.
NRTU but people just overvalue draft picks WAY too damn much.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 6, 2012 5:21am
This is a good idea, in theory, but I find it hard to believe that it will be H&H's mindset. I think they will have the "the sooner, the better they get the QB in place" attitude.SportsAndLady;1138169 wrote:Sure he is "NFL ready" but he's not that good...why would you waste your first round pick on a guy that will make you go 7-9 instead of 4-12? Why not go 4-12 and either a) draft your franchise QB w/ your first pick, probably 5-10 or b) bundle some picks and move up to take Barkley.
"NFL ready" is great and all if there is no ceiling to the QB's potential. Weeden will never be more than an average QB. No thanks.
What if, by some miracle, the current QB gets the Browns to 6-10 this year? Not getting Barkley (which I'm not so sure he'd be the QB I'd target as I hear he has that Mark Sanchez "pussy" in him) if that happens.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 6, 2012 7:02am
The 2008 draft, 2009 draft, and the 14 wins the past 3 seasons disagree with u.BR1986FB;1138362 wrote:Well apparently Cam Newton & Andy Dalton were "NFL Ready" too and I think Weeden might be better than Dalton.
People want to bitch at this guys age and "it will take two to three years for him to be effective, blah, blah, blah". If I'm correct, he wrote the damn playbook for Oklahoma State's incoming offensive coordinator so he's no dunce.
NRTU but people just overvalue draft picks WAY too damn much.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 6, 2012 8:03am
Pro Football Focus grades the 2008-2010 players drafted by the Browns...
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/04/05/draft-grader-cleveland-browns/
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/04/05/draft-grader-cleveland-browns/
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 6, 2012 8:05am
David Veikune & Mike Junkin respectfully disagree...hoops23;1138139 wrote:If the Browns take a 28 year old QB at 22 it will be the worst draft pick in the history of the universe.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Apr 6, 2012 8:08am
The Packers, Steelers, NY Giants, and Patriots disagree. Especially with the way the Browns are building through the draft, I'm not sure how you can even think this. If we're not going to get players through the draft, then where the hell are we going to get them? We HAVE (lol) to hit on draft picks, esp top picks.BR1986FB;1138362 wrote: NRTU but people just overvalue draft picks WAY too damn much.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 6, 2012 8:25am
Precisely.....Brandon WeedenCommander of Awesome;1138386 wrote: We HAVE (lol) to hit on draft picks, esp top picks.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 6, 2012 8:31am
It wouldn't be H&H's mindset if Matt Barkley came out and fell to the Browns at 4 this year. They'd just take him now. But they're not stupid, they know outside of Luck and RG3, they're not going to get their QB. Get out of here with that Weeden crap...Big 12 QBs are terrible, and the guy is 28 years old for christ sake.BR1986FB;1138363 wrote:This is a good idea, in theory, but I find it hard to believe that it will be H&H's mindset. I think they will have the "the sooner, the better they get the QB in place" attitude.
What if, by some miracle, the current QB gets the Browns to 6-10 this year? Not getting Barkley (which I'm not so sure he'd be the QB I'd target as I hear he has that Mark Sanchez "pussy" in him) if that happens.
Even at 6-10 they will be able to trade up to that #1 pick next year. At 6-10, they'll move up about 10 spots...they can offer their 2 Firsts next year and 2014 First..boom, Barkley. Even if they can't, there will be other emerging QB's, just like RG3 emerged this year. The guy from Washington comes to mind.
You're just buying into this "we have to win now or we're out of here" shit by H&H. That's not what they're saying lol
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 6, 2012 8:48am
FIFYSportsAndLady;1138402 wrote:It wouldn't be H&H's mindset if Matt Barkley came out and fell to the Browns at 4 this year. They'd just take him now. But they're not stupid, they know outside of Luck and RG3, they're not going to get their QB. Get out of here with that Weeden crap...Big 12 QBs are terrible, and the guy is 28 years old for christ sake.
Even at 6-10 they will be able to trade up to that #1 pick next year. At 6-10, they'll move up about 10 spots...they can offer their 2 Firsts next year and 2014 First..boom, Barkley. Even if they can't, there will be other emerging QB's, just like RG3 emerged this year. The guy from Washington comes to mind.
You're just buying into this "we have to win now or the world will end" shit by Iggy.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Apr 6, 2012 9:27am
I am spending an awful lot of time in your head of late, rent free to boot! I'm, not going to lie, it is nice kind of nice to have a fan club though. I can just see you guys sitting there hitting refresh waiting on baited breath for what I am going to say next.like_that;1138411 wrote:FIFY
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 6, 2012 9:30am
Imagine the meltdown if they take Weeden at 22? Not saying they will but it will be interesting to see.IggyPride00;1138438 wrote:I am spending an awful lot of time in your head of late, rent free to boot! I'm, not going to lie, it is nice kind of nice to have a fan club though. I can just see you guys sitting there hitting refresh waiting on baited breath for what I am going to say next.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 6, 2012 9:30am
You have already used this fail once, what makes you think it wouldn't be a fail again? No one gives a shit about you, but it doesn't mean we can't poke fun of your idiocy.IggyPride00;1138438 wrote:I am spending an awful lot of time in your head of late, rent free to boot! I'm, not going to lie, it is nice kind of nice to have a fan club though. I can just see you guys sitting there hitting refresh waiting on baited breath for what I am going to say next.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 6, 2012 9:37am
Possible leaked schedule making the rounds...
Wk1 - Bengals - 1PM
Wk2 - @Giants - 1PM
Wk3 - @Cowboys - 4:15PM
Wk4 - Ravens - 8:20PM TNF
Wk5 - @Broncos - 4:15PM
Wk6 - Chargers - 1PM
Wk7 - Redskins - 1PM
Wk8 - @Steelers - 1PM
Wk9 - Eagles - 8:30PM MNF
Wk10 - BYE
Wk11 - Bills - 1PM
Wk12 - Steelers - 1PM
Wk13 - @Bengals - 1PM
Wk14 - @Raiders - 4:15PM
Wk15 - @Colts - 1PM
Wk16 - Chiefs - 1PM Wk17 - @Ravens - 1PM
Wk1 - Bengals - 1PM
Wk2 - @Giants - 1PM
Wk3 - @Cowboys - 4:15PM
Wk4 - Ravens - 8:20PM TNF
Wk5 - @Broncos - 4:15PM
Wk6 - Chargers - 1PM
Wk7 - Redskins - 1PM
Wk8 - @Steelers - 1PM
Wk9 - Eagles - 8:30PM MNF
Wk10 - BYE
Wk11 - Bills - 1PM
Wk12 - Steelers - 1PM
Wk13 - @Bengals - 1PM
Wk14 - @Raiders - 4:15PM
Wk15 - @Colts - 1PM
Wk16 - Chiefs - 1PM Wk17 - @Ravens - 1PM
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Apr 6, 2012 9:38am
Opening at home again, greeeeeat............
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 6, 2012 9:41am
Looking at the first 9 games before the bye I could see a "Mangini-like" start...Commander of Awesome;1138447 wrote:Opening at home again, greeeeeat............
