I Am Ahab;969017 wrote:Is that going to Divers excuse again when they lose another regional championship? How's come teams like Coldwater have state titles with homegrown talent, going up against powerhouses like Mooney and Dover doesn't even have a regional championship?

I Am Ahab;969017 wrote:Is that going to Divers excuse again when they lose another regional championship? How's come teams like Coldwater have state titles with homegrown talent, going up against powerhouses like Mooney and Dover doesn't even have a regional championship?

Dover;969009 wrote:Have at it...

I Am Ahab;969078 wrote:What do those two posts have to do w my previous post?

Again I'll ask, why can schools like Coldwater win state titles with homegrown talent against the likes of mooney while Dover can't win regional championships.

It seems the excuse is always we may not win like Big Red (3 time state champs, ? Regional champs, 3rd in all time wins in Ohio) but at least we play with our own kids and not a bunch of transfers. But that shouldn't be an acceptable excuse if other schools are winning titles with their hometown kids. Why is it being used as an excuse.

Now if you have no answer and just wanna talk about transfers okay. Big Red has a few transfers almost constantly. Not illegal. But if you have an issue with it that's within your rights obviously. I just never heard Coldwater fans crying about it. They just went out and won regional and state championships. Maybe schools like Dover and Creek should look at schools like that instead of pointing fingers at others as to why you can't have success. Win something for pete's sake. No more excuses.

I Am Ahab;969172 wrote:You can say that because there isn't a powerhouse football program to take them. If Steubenville was in that area I'd be willing to bet a few of those NP, Claymont, etc stars might be thinking of joining a team that has the 3rd most wins, and just won a cpl state championships.

If Mooney was right there do you think no one from NP or Dover or etc would be tempted to play for them?

Pride only exists in your area of Ohio?

But the question remains, how does Colwater consistently win out there with Homegrown kids but here in eatern Ohio everyone's crying recruiting?

Coldwater: we win with our own players.

Diver: we don't win with our own players and are forced to point fingers.

Does Diver purposely lose these regional championship games to ensure more b. Ball time? Seriously not one in all those chances?

bases_loaded;969139 wrote:Im excited to play Mooney, we haven't lost to them in the regional finals yet, a new team to lose to. :rolleyes:

icredskins;969198 wrote:Big Red - we win with our own players, players from surrounding towns and players from surrounding states. And when we lose, it's because the other school recruits, the refs made bad calls, the other team was lucky, the concession stand didn't sell peppereno rolls...

Mooney44Cards;969226 wrote:Uhh, yes you have.

1980 Division 2 Region 7 final: Mooney 34 Dover 6

I Am Ahab;969229 wrote:IC- we don't win. Period.

bases_loaded;969245 wrote:I wasn't born yet, but I guess I should've stated I was talking about the recent run of 4 regional championship games. Im sorry.

icredskins;969250 wrote:I guess the 8-2 regular season record, playoff appearance, co Buckeye 8 champions, co-Coach of the Year in Division III was just a dream then. Sorry.

Mooney44Cards;969261 wrote:No worries, just thought I'd point it out considering no one had mentioned that these two teams have met before in the playoffs, even though it was over 30 years ago. Mooney went on to win the D2 State Championship that year.

That was the only previous meeting between Mooney and Dover.

bases_loaded;969149 wrote:As far as open enrollment.

Dover is surrounded by proud communities. Playing for New Philadelphia might not mean something to you, but to those kids it does. Same with Claymont, Indian Valley, Garaway, Strasburg. People here know there is more to life than uprooting their families so their kid can play for Dover(playing the part of Big Red in this scenario). In these communities the name on the shirt is more than just a sport.

icredskins;969250 wrote:I guess the 8-2 regular season record, playoff appearance, co Buckeye 8 champions, co-Coach of the Year in Division III was just a dream then. Sorry.

garweft;969729 wrote:You did not just bring up the co buckeye 8 championship..... :laugh:

And Andrew Conner.... co coach of the year D3...... 39-34 with 1 playoff appearance in 8 years...... :laugh:

This is a Dover thread, we're talking big boy football now. Just go put on a shirt about your big band and hang out at the new McDonalds talking about how things would be different if Furda wouldn't have gotten hurt.

bases_loaded;969241 wrote:Bottom line, when Im in Steubenville, I can't wait to get out...houses on the side of hills, looks like a 3rd world country. I just bought my second house in Dover, its a great town, with a great school, and no matter what year it is, the teams on the football field and hardwood will keep us entertained.

You can have your couple of state championships. I'll take consistently being good with the chance to win championships with kids who grew up in Dover and are anxious to be part of the journey not a spare part picked off the street to help maintain a facade. You are sticking your feather in a hat thats getting old and dusty. Two years in a row that Dover is still playing and you aren't. I would pile on too.