this was PSU's bowl game, 'cause they'll lose next week, and then their administration will vote to not go to a bowl...and for the record, OSU's play calling was absolutely abyssmal

vball10set;979660 wrote:this was PSU's bowl game, 'cause they'll lose next week, and then their administration will vote to not go to a bowl...and for the record, OSU's play calling was absolutely abyssmal

Which I think is absolutely wrong to do. The kids on this team shouldn't be punished for something a former coach did, that didn't involve football. How is voluntarily not going to a bowl going to change anything?

It's not fair to the players, but that is the fault of those at fault in the scandel. I can see them suspending football for a year to regroup and start over entirelr.

No way.

Dr Winston O'Boogie;979671 wrote:It's not fair to the players, but that is the fault of those at fault in the scandel. I can see them suspending football for a year to regroup and start over entirelr.

No way. Even with all that is bad in this, football is still way too big of a business. The NCAA, Networks, Nike, Big 10, etc would never let this happen.

WebFire;979685 wrote:No way.

Probaby not and it would be unprecedented. However, it would remove any doubt about football holding undue sway over the school.

http://tominpaine.blogspot.com/2011/11/why-joe-paterno-should-sue-for-libel.html?spref=fb

"In response to news reports of McQueary's claim that he did go to the police, the local police chief pointed out that while they have no record of McQuery filing a report with them, McQueary wouldn't have gone to them in the first place for the simple reason that, as the police chief pointed out in his statement, the local police have no jurisdiction over a crime that occurs on the Penn State campus. That,as the police chief pointed out, is the sole jurisdiction of the Penn State Campus Police.

The significance of this is crucial because if the only police agency with jurisdiction over what McQueary witnessed was the Penn State Campus police then Paterno did in fact do everything the moralizers said he didn't do. Gary Shultz was one of the Penn State administrators Paterno went to with whatever McQueary told him. Gary Shultz was the supervisor and overseer of the Penn State Campus Police.When it comes to reporting anything to the Penn State Campus Police, you couldn't get any higher than Shultz.He was, in effect, the chief of Penn State campus police."

^^^IMO, it doesn't matter--JoePa should have seen this thing all the way through. This was HIS University, HIS campus, HIS home..and it was HIS friend that committed these heinous acts.

vball10set;980345 wrote:^^^IMO, it doesn't matter--JoePa should have seen this thing all the way through. This was HIS University, HIS campus, HIS home..and it was HIS friend that committed these heinous acts.

"This is what happens when ignorant people convinced of all their own self-righteous beliefs"

Skyhook79;980359 wrote:"This is what happens when ignorant people convinced of all their own self-righteous beliefs"

Are you referring to Joe Paterno?

vball10set;980345 wrote:^^^IMO, it doesn't matter--JoePa should have seen this thing all the way through. This was HIS University, HIS campus, HIS home..and it was HIS friend that committed these heinous acts.

Right. People are going to find technicalities. But it seems no one followed through, even though they KNEW what happened.

Skyhook79;980359 wrote:"This is what happens when ignorant people convinced of all their own self-righteous beliefs"

"and this is what happens when ignorant people will believe any spin put on a situation to make their demigod appear, well, godlike"

WebFire;980389 wrote:Right. People are going to find technicalities. But it seems no one followed through, even though they KNEW what happened.

exactly my point :thumbup:

Given all the decades in that insular and inbred community, I don't find this coverup the least bit surprising.

Even after seeing what happens when you have the same group of folks in charge decade after decade, PSU's board still hired an insider for the the AD and president positions. It would be laughable, if it weren't so predictable.

Remember now: this is the same group that will be conducting their own investigation into this mess. I'm sure, like me, this fills most folks with great confidence. :rolleyes:

Falcons53;978345 wrote:You should be banned just for typing that.

QQ

Skyhook79;980343 wrote:http://tominpaine.blogspot.com/2011/11/why-joe-paterno-should-sue-for-libel.html?spref=fb

"In response to news reports of McQueary's claim that he did go to the police, the local police chief pointed out that while they have no record of McQuery filing a report with them, McQueary wouldn't have gone to them in the first place for the simple reason that, as the police chief pointed out in his statement, the local police have no jurisdiction over a crime that occurs on the Penn State campus. That,as the police chief pointed out, is the sole jurisdiction of the Penn State Campus Police.

The significance of this is crucial because if the only police agency with jurisdiction over what McQueary witnessed was the Penn State Campus police then Paterno did in fact do everything the moralizers said he didn't do. Gary Shultz was one of the Penn State administrators Paterno went to with whatever McQueary told him. Gary Shultz was the supervisor and overseer of the Penn State Campus Police.When it comes to reporting anything to the Penn State Campus Police, you couldn't get any higher than Shultz.He was, in effect, the chief of Penn State campus police."

Wrong, wrong, wrong. He should have banned Sandusky from using the facilities that PATERNO controlled after the first allegations back in the 90's.

The investigative committee formed by Penn State trustees will have home field advantage and either won't have the will to uncover everything or cover up some of the cover up. The NCAA doesn't have the gonads nor the skill to find everything and everyone covered up. Hire the biggest and best Private Investigative Firm in the country and I'd be willing to bet they would find 50 Penn State people who know about Sandusky's dirty little secrets and did nothing.

OneBuckeye;978187 wrote:http://www.psu.edu/ur/2011/NCAA.pdf

NCAA opens up investigation. Wants an answer if there was LOIC and wants to know by mid december. PSU football will get a pounding if they get an LOIC.

The NCAA wants to know by the Middle of December???:laugh::laugh:We're talking about almost 15 years of covering up. THE biggest coverup in the history of NCAA sports. If due dilligence is done this will be BY FAR the worst case of Lack of Institutional Control ever found.

Do you believe everything happens for a reason?

Dr Winston O'Boogie;978346 wrote:what a coincidence.

I mean it is certainly a legitimate diagnosis, however it is very interesting that it comes out right now.

Coincidence or could it be, all things happen for a reason?

Big Gain;980999 wrote:Coincidence or do could it be, all things happen for a reason?

or it could be that he is 84 years old. But go ahead with all your conspiracy theories, you are certainly giving Jesse Ventura a run for his money.

Falcons53;979693 wrote:No way. Even with all that is bad in this, football is still way too big of a business. The NCAA, Networks, Nike, Big 10, etc would never let this happen.

The first intelligent statement. Football runs EVERYTHING AND EVERYBODY at Happy Valley.

Big Gain;980973 wrote:The NCAA wants to know by the Middle of December???:laugh::laugh:We're talking about almost 15 years of covering up. THE biggest coverup in the history of NCAA sports. If due dilligence is done this will be BY FAR the worst case of Lack of Institutional Control ever found.

Not to mention the NCAA is one of the most bloated, inept bureaucracies to ever pollute the planet. I'm sensing an Auburn type investigation here. Bottom line: I don't think the NCAA has the will or balls to do what they should in this situation and will add their touch to the whitewash.

Writerbuckeye;981320 wrote:Not to mention the NCAA is one of the most bloated, inept bureaucracies to ever pollute the planet. I'm sensing an Auburn type investigation here. Bottom line: I don't think the NCAA has the will or balls to do what they should in this situation and will add their touch to the whitewash.

I disagree here. I don't by any means think the NCAA is going to hammer Penn State but I don't think they're going to leave Happy Valley without giving them something. Even the NCAA, as big of a fraud as it is, knows that even the most casual follower of the USC/OSU/PSU scandals would be alarmed to see punishments handed to USC and OSU while PSU gets off scot-free. It might not technically be 100% sports related but it is enough to accuse them of LOIC and enough for the NCAA to go in and start digging.
It would be a PR disaster of the type of level that PSU has perpetuated for itself if the NCAA doesn't act in some way.

Can someone clarify this for me? The NCAA isn't a federal court and they pretty much have free reign to conduct themselves and punish as they see fit for what they feel is wrong. That means they don't need a reason to investigate any school. They just can, right? If a school doesn't like it, they don't have to be a member of the NCAA, but the legal options for schools that disagree with NCAA findings are not much?

It seems that, whether they like it or not or even think it's fair, Penn State just has to deal with it and cooperate.

Paterno and Penn State's former chief disciplinarian Vicky Triponey, the Standards and Conduct Officer, clashed repeatedly when football players broke rules and got in trouble. Paterno would always tell her he knew better than she did how to discipline his players. All other coaches respected her position and would work with her when it came to disciplining their athletes. Paterno demanding that he and his players be treated differently than any other coach and athlete at Penn State caused Tripony to "resign" her positoion.

Those who don't think Paterno was the most powerful person in Happy Valley and had the knowledge and power to stop Sandusky more than 10 years ago look like an ostrich.

Big Gain;983796 wrote:Paterno and Penn State's former chief disciplinarian Vicky Triponey, the Standards and Conduct Officer, clashed repeatedly when football players broke rules and got in trouble. Paterno would always tell her he knew better than she did how to discipline his players. All other coaches respected her position and would work with her when it came to disciplining their athletes. Paterno demanding that he and his players be treated differently than any other coach and athlete at Penn State caused Tripony to "resign" her positoion.

Those who don't think Paterno was the most powerful person in Happy Valley and had the knowledge and power to stop Sandusky more than 10 years ago look like an ostrich.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/wires/11/22/2060.ap.fbc.penn.state.paterno.triponey.1st.ld.writethru.0632/index.html

I don't see anywhere in the article where she said Paterno caused her to resign. I did see this however:


"Paterno's lawyer, Wick Sollers, told the Journal through a spokesman that "the allegations that have been described are out of context, misleading and filled with inaccuracies. ... Penn State's record of producing successful student athletes under coach Paterno's guidance is unquestioned.''

Skyhook79;983945 wrote:http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/wires/11/22/2060.ap.fbc.penn.state.paterno.triponey.1st.ld.writethru.0632/index.html

I don't see anywhere in the article where she said Paterno caused her to resign. I did see this however:


"Paterno's lawyer, Wick Sollers, told the Journal through a spokesman that "the allegations that have been described are out of context, misleading and filled with inaccuracies. ... Penn State's record of producing successful student athletes under coach Paterno's guidance is unquestioned.''