Writerbuckeye;961461 wrote:If you read the grand jury report, it clearly says Joe Pa was told exactly what was happening. His statement released tonight is a lie. If it comes down to McQueary's word against Joe Pa's, I'm going to believe McQueary. He testified, under oath, that he told Paterno what the boy was being subjected to anal intercourse.

Now Paterno is denying that's what he was told.

Both of them can rot in hell: McQueary for not intervening and calling police immediately, and Joe Pa for everything since that resulted in this being swept under the rug and white washed, while God knows how many other boys ended up being molested.

Is it possible you're jumping to conclusions?

What happened to the waiting until all of the evidence is shown on both sides of the story (when it comes to Joe Pas)?

We already have the evidence - all 4 people testified in front of the grand jury. McQueary says he told JoePa what he saw (not specific - but one would think he wouldn't withhold info), JoePa testified he told the AD that sexual behavior was reported by McQueary. McQueary testified that he told the AD and Schultz that he witnessed what he thought was anal sex. AD/Schultz testified that McQueary didn't tell him that.

The GJ found McQueary credible and the AD/Schultz non-credible, which is why perjury charges were thrown in. This isn't a case of bringing in DNA evidence or other forensic items - it is testimony versus testimony.

@AP BREAKING NEWS: Penn State board says Curley, Schultz stepping down after allegations of sex abuse scandal, cover-up.

Everyone in this situation is complicit. As early as 2002 Paterno, Curley, Schultz, etc, knew and they still allowed things like overnight camps to go on? Disgusting.



As Recently As 2009, Jerry Sandusky Was Running An Overnight Football Camp For Kids On Penn State Campuses

http://deadspin.com/5856887/as-recently-as-2009-jerry-sandusky-was-running-an-overnight-football-camp-for-kids-on-penn-state-campuses

karen lotz;961607 wrote:@AP BREAKING NEWS: Penn State board says Curley, Schultz stepping down after allegations of sex abuse scandal, cover-up.

Knew it was only a matter of time.

If I am the head of the Board of Trustees, I sit down with Joe Paterno and we have a very frank discussion. I tell him he can retire and we will still give him everything we would have upon his retirement. We will treat it like the retirement of a guy who is well past retirement age who did some great things for our university. But, if you refuse, we will fire you and make it very clear it is because the second you were told that Jerry Sandusky was a pedophile, you did not go to police. I know he's a friend and you are loyal to people, but those are your choices. You have 24 hours to decide.

Then, I fire the president.

Then I call Al Golden and ask him to clean up this mess instead of the one at Miami.

Fidmeister;961631 wrote:I have a bad feeling JoePa's next.

Why a bad feeling? He deserves everything bad he gets from this.

Paterno, at best, was completely negligent and didn't care, and at worst, aided in the cover up. Paterno's actions(or lack thereof) led to more young children being anally raped by an old man.

Paterno deserves to rot in prison. But I'll be satisfied with his being fired, his entire legacy destroyed, and a lifetime ban from any NCAA function.

I just had hoped he would be able to retire with dignity before I heard all of this.

I think his legacy is destroyed. I also believe Al Golden will be the Penn State coach next year.

Fidmeister;961640 wrote:I just had hoped he would be able to retire with dignity before I heard all of this.

Why? He deserves to spend his remaining years being anally plundered in state pen, not "retire with dignity."

2kool4skool;961642 wrote:Why? He deserves to spend his remaining years being anally plundered in state pen, not "retire with dignity."

That's why it says "before I heard all of this."

2kool4skool;961642 wrote:Why? He deserves to spend his remaining years being anally plundered in state pen, not "retire with dignity."

lol That's more than a little extreme.

Not surprising Curley and Schultz "stepped down". Gotta figure the president is soon to follow.

Mulva;961650 wrote:lol That's more than a little extreme.

His negligence/complicity allowed a child predator to anally rape more little boys. I see nothing wrong with Paterno living out his golden years in Cell Block B.

reclegend22;961214 wrote:From what I understood, or at least from what I had gathered from reading the thoughts of others, there was some uncertainty as to whether Paterno was actually told that anything sexual had taken place between Sandusky and the young boy, and that Paterno may have instead just been informed of some sort of strange wrestling-type activity in the Penn State locker room. Now, I must admit, had I been told by one of my assistant coaches that another of my assistant coaches was in the shower room playing WWE with a 12-year-old that wasn't his, I would have been very concerned. But, perhaps out of tremendous respect to Joe Paterno, I guess I just want to believe that he didn't know the whole story and did everything he deemed appropriate to investigate the incident.

Again, this is very interesting and, if guilty to the extent that many believe, Paterno's part in the crime would make an already tragic event even more inconceivable.

MCQueary said he explained it as a sexual act when he told Paterno. That's what McQueary told the Grand Jury. The AD said that Paterno told him McQueary called it "horse play" in the shower. That's why the AD was charged with Perjury. Why would a GA lie to Paterno about what he saw in the shower? GOOD GOD even if it was called "horse" play, why in the hell was an old man "horsing around" in the shower with a 10 year old boy on a day Sandusky knew there wasn't supposed to be anyone around. It doesn't take a mental giant to know there something VERY wrong about what Sandusky was doing.

McQueary called it a sexual act. When did the story change? When Paterno told the AD or after Paterno told the AD. Paterno is supposed to be this godlike coach, he was told it was a sexual act. PATERNO IS GUILTY of at least a cover up and at the worse he allowed a monster to remain on the loose molesting young boys.

McQueary should be fired TODAY. He saw Sandusky sodomizing a 10 year old boy in the showers. He didn't stop the illegal sickening act. He didn't call the police that night. He waited to the next day to tell Paterno, he didn't call the police that day. He's been coaching at Penn State every day since he told Paterno. He's been in that same locker room every week since the molestation. He knew Sandusky was never turned in. For SEVEN YEARS he could have called the police.....he never did.

reclegend22;961214 wrote:From what I understood, or at least from what I had gathered from reading the thoughts of others, there was some uncertainty as to whether Paterno was actually told that anything sexual had taken place between Sandusky and the young boy, and that Paterno may have instead just been informed of some sort of strange wrestling-type activity in the Penn State locker room. Now, I must admit, had I been told by one of my assistant coaches that another of my assistant coaches was in the shower room playing WWE with a 12-year-old that wasn't his, I would have been very concerned. But, perhaps out of tremendous respect to Joe Paterno, I guess I just want to believe that he didn't know the whole story and did everything he deemed appropriate to investigate the incident.<br>
<br>
Again, this is very interesting and, if guilty to the extent that many believe, Paterno's part in the crime would make an already tragic event even more inconceivable.

<br><br><br>MCQueary said he explained it as a sexual act when he told Paterno. That's what McQueary told the Grand Jury. The AD said that Paterno told him McQueary called it "horse play" in the shower. That's why the AD was charged with Perjury. Why would a GA lie to Paterno about what he saw in the shower? GOOD GOD even if it was called "horse" play, why in the hell was an old man "horsing around" in the shower with a 10 year old boy on a day Sandusky knew there wasn't supposed to be anyone around. It doesn't take a mental giant to know there something VERY wrong about what Sandusky was doing. <br><br>McQueary called it a sexual act. When did the story change? When Paterno told the AD or after Paterno told the AD. Paterno is supposed this godlike coach, he was told it was a sexual act. PATERNO IS GUILTY of at least a cover up and at the worse he allowed a monster to remain on the loose molesting young boys.

2kool4skool;961653 wrote:His negligence/complicity allowed a child predator to anally rape more little boys. I see nothing wrong with Paterno living out his golden years in Cell Block B.

1. Prosecutors have stated he isn't suspected of anything, and have actually lauded his assistance/cooperation
2. Criminally, according to a yahoo article, failure to report has a maximum sentence of 3 months, but that's irrelevant anyway because he immediately reported what he was told to his superior. So now you're saying a senior citizen who committed no crime should be locked up and sodomized.
3. Paterno stated that what he was told by the grad assistant was nowhere near the level or specifics of what was reported in the grand jury report, and none of us know what he did or didn't actually know.

You basically advocated locking up an old man who didn't break any law and having him raped by inmates for failing to meet a "moral obligation". Should he have done more? If the testimony presented to the grand jury is accurate, definitely. Should he be forced to step down? Yep. Should his reputation be tarnished? Yes, and it will be. But your viewpoint is still way extreme.

I guess I just don't get how you have such a huge problem with someone for failing to relay a report of a potential sexual assault to the police and instead doing the minimum required legally, but at the same time you have no problem with locking up and having prisoners rape a human being for displaying a lack of ethical judgment.

I get the first part (having the huge problem with his lack of action), but I can't comprehend the two viewpoints together. Sexual assault is so terrible that for even not reporting a potential case of it to the proper authorities he deserves to be locked up... and sexually assaulted? I don't get it. But maybe that's just me.

At the very least Paterno knew that an incident involving sexual contact with a minor occurred in his program's locker room. If he's even close to being the leader/legend (pun intended) he's supposed to be he would have handled it himself, he's above pretty much everyone at PSU, and even State College. He had the power to help this kid, who for all we know is in jail or dead now.

He didn't do it. He needs to resign before next weekend's game.

Mulva;961666 wrote:1. Prosecutors have stated he isn't suspected of anything, and have actually lauded his assistance/cooperation
2. Criminally, according to a yahoo article, failure to report has a maximum sentence of 3 months, but that's irrelevant anyway because he immediately reported what he was told to his superior. So now you're saying a senior citizen who committed no crime should be locked up and sodomized.
3. Paterno stated that what he was told by the grad assistant was nowhere near the level or specifics of what was reported in the grand jury report, and none of us know what he did or didn't actually know.

You basically advocated locking up an old man who didn't break any law and having him raped by inmates for failing to meet a "moral obligation". Should he have done more? If the testimony presented to the grand jury is accurate, definitely. Should he be forced to step down? Yep. Should his reputation be tarnished? Yes, and it will be. But your viewpoint is still way extreme.

I guess I just don't get how you have such a huge problem with someone for failing to relay a report of a potential sexual assault to the police and instead doing the minimum required legally, but at the same time you have no problem with locking up and having prisoners rape a human being for displaying a lack of ethical judgment.

I get the first part (having the huge problem with his lack of action), but I can't comprehend the two viewpoints together. Sexual assault is so terrible that for even not reporting a potential case of it to the proper authorities he deserves to be locked up... and sexually assaulted? I don't get it. But maybe that's just me.

Lol, +1

Curley and Schultz step down

http://m.espn.go.com/ncf/story?w=1b6ee&storyId=7202145&disableShare=true&adBlock=block&i=SC&hidePageFooter=true&hidePageHeader=true

JoePa will not survive this. Only one possible choice was to be made the moment he first found out his buddy Jerry liked to diddle little boys...and he did not make that choice...instead he went to his AD (which granted should have been the second choice). But his failure to call the cops will forever tarnish a great coaching legacy. Almost too stupid to comprehend.

@SportsbyBrooks:
Sandusky to PSU site on 3/27/2007 on charity he founded to rape children: "We'll touch well over 100,000 kids."

WUT?

Live report from PSU coming up on SportsCenter

I don't know what Paterno is "shocked" about. At the earliest it was confirmed he knew in 2002 yet Sandusky was still allowed to bring children on campus and for overnight football camps. And it can be speculated he had known since 1998 when the first incident came about.

Sandusky refused to state that the charges are false to a reporter outside his home. Would only state his attorney advised him to answer nothing.

PSU is in a mountain of trouble I feel here. Huge cover up that I hope is fully exposed due to the nature of the alleged crimes!!

tick, tick, tick..how long before JoePa announces his retirement/resignation?