I am in the majority of Penn State fans on this. I love Joepa, but if he indeed knew and all of this is true, he should be gone along with all of the other people who will have to answer for this either in court or with the highest court.

I discussed this with my wife today. My youngest son's middle name is Joseph in honor of Paterno and what he has stood for over his career. I sincerely hope he did not have a hand in the cover up, but after reading everything, it is hard to believe he didn't. Big Red should be ashamed of putting Penn State football above these kids. At age 28, my dad would not have been call #1 and my dad and I are very close.

NCAA will have no hand in this. The President of the University needs to make sure Paterno retires and the entire staff that knew any of this is gone. It is a very sad day for all of us who have been involved in college athletics. No individual is bigger than the program does not mean this.

^^^reps for honesty, and I believe you're the first PSU fan to post regarding this topic

killer_ewok;959452 wrote:This is sounding more and more like A Serbian Film. #puke

Falcons53;960525 wrote:I am Serbian, what the hell does that mean?!

good question...ewok?

Falcons53;960540 wrote:I am in the majority of Penn State fans on this. I love Joepa, but if he indeed knew and all of this is true, he should be gone along with all of the other people who will have to answer for this either in court or with the highest court.

I discussed this with my wife today. My youngest son's middle name is Joseph in honor of Paterno and what he has stood for over his career. I sincerely hope he did not have a hand in the cover up, but after reading everything, it is hard to believe he didn't. Big Red should be ashamed of putting Penn State football above these kids. At age 28, my dad would not have been call #1 and my dad and I are very close.

NCAA will have no hand in this. The President of the University needs to make sure Paterno retires and the entire staff that knew any of this is gone. It is a very sad day for all of us who have been involved in college athletics. No individual is bigger than the program does not mean this.

If you read the entire report, then you know the president was part of this coverup. That's why he's already come out in full support of his AD and the fellow who oversaw the campus police with their perjury charges.

At this point, he is in full "deny, deny, deny" mode and hoping they don't have enough evidence to prove this. If he were going to do what you say, he would have already made a statement about not tolerating this, full investigation, etc. Instead, he's supporting people charged with covering it up.

From Penn State's president...

“I wish to say that Tim Curley and Gary Schultz have my unconditional support. I have known and worked daily with Tim and Gary for more than 16 years. I have complete confidence in how they have handled the allegations about a former university employee.

“Tim Curley and Gary Schultz operate at the highest levels of honesty, integrity and compassion. I am confident the record will show that these charges are groundless and that they conducted themselves professionally and appropriately,” (PSU University President Graham) Spanier stated.

Curley and Schultz's employment status remains unchanged.

It will take an act by the Board of Trustees to override all this and clean house. I would imagine the trustees will tire of the publicity PSU will be subjected to in very short order -- and then take action.

This is all completely fucked up. It should be interesting to see what comes out of this.

Not to be ccrunner, and I have a feeling I am leaving myself wide open for being pwned, but some of these victims were in 7th and 8th grade at the time when this happened. I don't know about you guys, but when I was in 7th and 8th grade, im pretty sure I would not want some old dude trying to stick his dick in my ass or mouth, even if somebody tried, I sure as hell wouldn't allow it, and I would report it.

wtf were those teenagers doing?

like_that;960586 wrote:This is all completely fucked up. It should be interesting to see what comes out of this.

Not to be ccrunner, and I have a feeling I am leaving myself wide open for being pwned, but some of these victims were in 7th and 8th grade at the time when this happened. I don't know about you guys, but when I was in 7th and 8th grade, im pretty sure I would not want some old dude trying to stick his dick in my ass or mouth, even if somebody tried, I sure as hell wouldn't allow it, and I would report it.

wtf were those teenagers doing?

I was actually wondering the same. I notice they were "special needs" kids. What kind of special needs? Some of them played football, so I wondered if they were troubled or underprivileged.

I'm guessing these were kids who weren't used to getting anything special -- so when someone comes along who gives you nice things, good food, takes you to games, and offers you what you believe to be a safe place to sleep, you develop a dependency on that person. You become scared of losing what little you have. Pedophiles know this, prey on it, and take advantage of their positions of power.

Don't kid yourself: this isn't about making a choice.

Falcons53;960525 wrote:I am Serbian, what the hell does that mean?!

Wikipedia "A Serbian Film" and read the plot

Lawyer says failure to report charges don't apply.

Farrell told The Associated Press on Sunday that the mandated reporting rules only apply to people who come into direct contact with children. He also said the statute of limitations for the summary offense with which Schultz is charged is two years, so it expired in 2004.

“As far as my research shows, there has never been a reported criminal decision under this statute, and the civil decisions go our way,” he said.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-pennstateex-coach-allegations

WebFire;960683 wrote:I was actually wondering the same. I notice they were "special needs" kids. What kind of special needs? Some of them played football, so I wondered if they were troubled or underprivileged.

I just skimmed the pdf, so I didn't notice the mention of "special needs." If they were special needs, because of a mental condition, then it makes a little more sense.

WebFire;960683 wrote:I was actually wondering the same. I notice they were "special needs" kids. What kind of special needs? Some of them played football, so I wondered if they were troubled or underprivileged.

Usually "special needs" refers to the MR/DD (Mentally Retarded/Developmentally Disabled), and if this were the case, then this sick bastard should be put in prison with the sodomites equipped with pool cues, and then experience what it's like being the catcher instead of the pitcher.

The kids were at-risk, not special needs. They were low income or single parent home kids.

Mulva;960714 wrote:Lawyer says failure to report charges don't apply.





http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-pennstateex-coach-allegations

Uh huh. Put the facts before a civil jury and see where it gets you. Fact is, PSU's attorneys will never let any of the lawsuits that are coming go to trial. They will not want victims getting in front of a jury and telling what happened to them.

Falcons53;960729 wrote:The kids were at-risk, not special needs. They were low income or single parent home kids.

gotcha'....it don't make it right, but we'll give the sodomites skinnier pool cues anyway

vball10set;960737 wrote:gotcha'....it don't make it right, but we'll give the sodomites skinnier pool cues anyway

Nah, still deserves the two-piece custom pool cool, Leroy Brown style.

everybody in the know should be fired...and then have criminal charges pressed against them.

the whole situation sickens me

Falcons53;960729 wrote:The kids were at-risk, not special needs. They were low income or single parent home kids.

Ah yes, that was the term. I didn't think they were MR.

vball10set;960723 wrote:Usually "special needs" refers to the MR/DD (Mentally Retarded/Developmentally Disabled), and if this were the case, then this sick bastard should be put in prison with the sodomites equipped with pool cues, and then experience what it's like being the catcher instead of the pitcher.

The sick bastard would probably enjoy it.

Sicko's like this need to be castrated.

vball10set wrote:Usually "special needs" refers to the MR/DD (Mentally Retarded/Developmentally Disabled), and if this were the case, then this sick bastard should be put in prison with the sodomites equipped with pool cues, and then experience what it's like being the catcher instead of the pitcher.

And if the kids Jerry penetrated were just regular everyday kids then he should be sentenced to an ankle bracelet? I know what you meant, but it doesn't matter if these kids had half a brain or were Albert Einstein, the allegations lingering over Jerry Sandusky paint him as one sick fuck and he deserves the harshest penalty possible with regard to his crime.

Long an admirer of Joe Paterno, I am very interested to see how this case plays out and desperately hope that Paterno did everything in his power relative to the particulars of the incident he was apprised to ensure Sandusky was properly investigated. What a truly sad end to an otherwise unrivaled career it would be if Paterno is found to have covered up criminal activity involving child molestation. It'd be like after all these years discovering that Bob Knight, the winningest and, arguably, with regard to running a clean program academically and in the spectrum of recruiting, most impeccable coach in college basketball history, had allowed his players to pound cub scouts on the team bus after Big Ten road victories. I mean, good gracious.

For the time being, I will reserve judgement and believe that Joe Pa is in fact deserving of the lauding he has received from the authorities handling the case. To this point in his over 50 years of coaching and teaching at the highest of the collegiate level, he has done nothing to make anyone think otherwise. His reputation is without rival.

^^^^

As soon as McQueary told JoePa that he saw Sandusky naked in the PSU showers with a young boy (regardless of whether McQueary told him about the anal rape) JoePa should have handled it then and there - including identifying the boy. No one at Penn State attempted to do that. This is the best-case scenario, and everyone at PSU, including JoePa, mishandled it.

Manhattan Buckeye wrote:As soon as McQueary told JoePa that he saw Sandusky naked in the PSU showers with a young boy (regardless of whether McQueary told him about the anal rape) JoePa should have handled it then and there - including identifying the boy. No one at Penn State attempted to do that. This is the best-case scenario, and everyone at PSU, including JoePa, mishandled it.

From what I understood, or at least from what I had gathered from reading the thoughts of others, there was some uncertainty as to whether Paterno was actually told that anything sexual had taken place between Sandusky and the young boy, and that Paterno may have instead just been informed of some sort of strange wrestling-type activity in the Penn State locker room. Now, I must admit, had I been told by one of my assistant coaches that another of my assistant coaches was in the shower room playing WWE with a 12-year-old that wasn't his, I would have been very concerned. But, perhaps out of tremendous respect to Joe Paterno, I guess I just want to believe that he didn't know the whole story and did everything he deemed appropriate to investigate the incident.

Again, this is very interesting and, if guilty to the extent that many believe, Paterno's part in the crime would make an already tragic event even more inconceivable.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/11/06/penn.state.board.meets.ap/index.html?eref=twitter_feed

reclegend22;961214 wrote:From what I understood, or at least from what I had gathered from reading the thoughts of others, there was some uncertainty as to whether Paterno was actually told that anything sexual had taken place between Sandusky and the young boy, and that Paterno may have instead just been informed of some sort of strange wrestling-type activity in the Penn State locker room. Now, I must admit, had I been told by one of my assistant coaches that another of my assistant coaches was in the shower room playing WWE with a 12-year-old that wasn't his, I would have been very concerned. But, perhaps out of tremendous respect to Joe Paterno, I guess I just want to believe that he didn't know the whole story and did everything he deemed appropriate to investigate the incident.

Again, this is very interesting and, if guilty to the extent that many believe, Paterno's part in the crime would make an already tragic event even more inconceivable.

If you read the grand jury report, it clearly says Joe Pa was told exactly what was happening. His statement released tonight is a lie. If it comes down to McQueary's word against Joe Pa's, I'm going to believe McQueary. He testified, under oath, that he told Paterno what the boy was being subjected to anal intercourse.

Now Paterno is denying that's what he was told.

Both of them can rot in hell: McQueary for not intervening and calling police immediately, and Joe Pa for everything since that resulted in this being swept under the rug and white washed, while God knows how many other boys ended up being molested.