WebFire;960111 wrote:I read the initial story and the PDF (sick), but one thing I haven't seen is how this story finally came out yesterday?

I may be wrong, but I believe this was a 2 year investigation. I think someone has him acting inappropriately two years ago with a kid and reported it. Authorities then investigated his non profit and started to realize there was more to the story.

BTW, I still haven't seen mention of it on ESPN. Did I miss it?

ccrunner609;960139 wrote:What age would you be able to handle it?

Seriously? Where does that even come from?

WebFire;960111 wrote:I read the initial story and the PDF (sick), but one thing I haven't seen is how this story finally came out yesterday?

The major stories weren't printed until yesterday because he hadn't been charged yet, and it wasn't determined that the athletic department members had lied about anything until the grand jury finished it's investigation. Not that the media usually refrains from posting rumors.

thedynasty1998;960191 wrote:I may be wrong, but I believe this was a 2 year investigation. I think someone has him acting inappropriately two years ago with a kid and reported it. Authorities then investigated his non profit and started to realize there was more to the story.

BTW, I still haven't seen mention of it on ESPN. Did I miss it?

I was going to say the same thing, kinda surprised that this isn't all over ESPN. I've read a few stories on this, pretty obvious that everyone needs to go....that includes Joe Pa

WebFire;960111 wrote:I read the initial story and the PDF (sick), but one thing I haven't seen is how this story finally came out yesterday?

Sandusky was arrested and posted a $100,000 bond.

Mulva;959312 wrote:I didn't read that PDF word for word, but I'm pretty sure Joe Pa testified to the grand jury. I don't think there's any more to it. He did report it. He just reported it to the wrong person (the AD instead of the police). Looks like it just kept going up the line and then got squashed at the top.

JOE PATERNO IS AT FAULT. Why didn't he call the police after telling the AD and nothing happened to Sandusky? Why didn't he call the police 6 months later? A year later? 2 years later? 3 years later, 4 years later? 5 years later, 6 years later? 7 years later? Why didn't JOE PATERNO call the police SOMETIME before the Grand Jury was convened? JOE PATERNO knew for at least NINE YEARS there was an animal out there molesting and ruining the lives of children between the ages of 9-12 and he DID NOTHING to stop the ANIMAL.

Big Gain;960254 wrote:Sandusky was arrested and posted a $100,000 bond.

I would like to know why bail was only $100,000. The man is accused of sexually assaulting boys. He has a lot of money. And clearly no conscious. The possibility that he could a)be a flight risk or b)go home and hang himself in the attic to avoid this did not occur to the judge?

dtdtim;960271 wrote:I would like to know why bail was only $100,000. The man is accused of sexually assaulting boys. He has a lot of money. And clearly no conscious. The possibility that he could a)be a flight risk or b)go home and hang himself in the attic to avoid this did not occur to the judge?

I personally think that's too much since the MAXIMUM penalty for negligently killing someone is only like $80,000.

Big Gain;960268 wrote:JOE PATERNO IS AT FAULT. Why didn't he call the police after telling the AD and nothing happened to Sandusky? Why didn't he call the police 6 months later? A year later? 2 years later? 3 years later, 4 years later? 5 years later, 6 years later? 7 years later? Why didn't JOE PATERNO call the police SOMETIME before the Grand Jury has convened? JOE PATERNO knew for at least NINE YEARS there was an animal out there molesting and ruining the lives of children between the ages of 9-12 years of age and he DID NOTHING to stop the ANIMAL.

Agreed. "Reporting" it to the AD is ridiculous. This was not an NCAA/coaching matter. This was a heinous criminal act. He should have instructed the GA to call the police immediately. Why the AD was even involved in the process is sad. Their irresponsibility allowed this monster to cause further harm over the past 9 years. No excuse.

Big Gain;960268 wrote:JOE PATERNO IS AT FAULT. Why didn't he call the police after telling the AD and nothing happened to Sandusky? Why didn't he call the police 6 months later? A year later? 2 years later? 3 years later 4 years later? 5 years later, 6 years later? 7 years later? Why didn't JOE PATERNO call the police SOMETIME before the Grand Jury has convened?

It seems to me that Joe Paterno did only as much as he had to do to ensure his name would TECHNICALLY be in the clear in the end. Nothing more, nothing less. Technicalities don't really matter, though, as the court of public opinion is already against Penn State and him. I don't think there's anything that can save him (or Penn State) in this.

I'll say it again; this isn't a matter that the NCAA even needs to be involved in. The fallout that Penn State is going to take from this is going to be like nothing seen before, and not just from an athletic standpoint (although it will be most noticeable). The entire university is going to suffer from this...this goes way beyond football.

Why didn't the grad assistant call the police immediately? If that had been me walk in on that I'd have beaten the crap out of him right then and there. I'd have called the police and explained to them what I saw and to get there quick because I was going to be punching him silly until they got there to pull me off of him.

sleeper;960274 wrote:I personally think that's too much since the MAXIMUM penalty for negligently killing someone is only like $80,000.

Although what happened at Notre Dame was terrible, it was negligent. Equating a negligent crime that ended in the death of an adult (and, on top of that, clearly one smart enough to get into Notre Dame so I'm going to assume he had the power and mental capacity available to choose not to put himself at risk, he just decided not to use it) to the malicious sexual assault of 8 (possibly more) young boys isn't really a good equation.

Kelly did not send that kid up the ladder thinking 'yeah, I want him dead so I'm going to send him up on the ladder.' Sandusky absolutely knew what he was doing when he sent that kid into the shower. One is much, much, much worse than the other.

I'm not saying that what happened at Notre Dame isn't bad. I'm just saying that, even if a joke, trying to somehow put both of these scandals (or really any other college sports scandal) in the same hand is insulting to EVERY school not named Penn State. Everyone can rant about the SEC, everyone can call Ohio State cheaters, everyone can think what they want about USC...nothing that any of them have done even smells close to this godawful mess at Penn State, allegedly one of the cleanest institutions in the country, which can now be thanked for making college athletics and the NCAA appear to be even bigger jokes than they already are right now.

dtdtim;960316 wrote:Although what happened at Notre Dame was terrible, it was negligent. Equating a negligent crime that ended in the death of an adult (and, on top of that, clearly one smart enough to get into Notre Dame so I'm going to assume he had the power and mental capacity available to choose not to put himself at risk, he just decided not to use it) to the malicious sexual assault of 8 (possibly more) young boys isn't really a good equation.

Kelly did not send that kid up the ladder thinking 'yeah, I want him dead so I'm going to send him up on the ladder.' Sandusky absolutely knew what he was doing when he sent that kid into the shower. One is much, much, much worse than the other.

I'm not saying that what happened at Notre Dame isn't bad. I'm just saying that, even if a joke, trying to somehow put both of these scandals (or really any other college sports scandal) in the same hand is insulting to EVERY school not named Penn State. Everyone can rant about the SEC, everyone can call Ohio State cheaters, everyone can think what they want about USC...nothing that any of them have done even smells close to this godawful mess at Penn State, allegedly one of the cleanest institutions in the country, which can now be thanked for making college athletics and the NCAA appear to be even bigger jokes than they already are right now.

I think most reasonable people would agree with this.

Sleeper isn't reasonable.

True story.

In related news, Ohio State may have been taken of the 'Most Delusional B1G fanbase' competition by a newcomer. Everyone needs to check out a Penn State message board. Watching the 'Our school has morals and O$U is a bunch of criminals' Penn State crowd backpedal through sh*t to somehow save the reputation of Grandpa and his Graduate Assistant tells you how far the boundaries of morality will go to protect your loyalty. I feel bad for them on one hand and then on the other feel that they are going to deserve everything they get by reading what they have to say.

dtdtim;960381 wrote:True story.

In related news, Ohio State may have been taken of the 'Most Delusional B1G fanbase' competition by a newcomer. Everyone needs to check out a Penn State message board. Watching the 'Our school has morals and O$U is a bunch of criminals' Penn State crowd backpedal through sh*t to somehow save the reputation of Grandpa and his Graduate Assistant tells you how far the boundaries of morality will go to protect your loyalty. I feel bad for them on one hand and then on the other feel that they are going to deserve everything they get by reading what they have to say.

Funny you say that. On another board, a poster was saying that most of the PSU fans were outraged and wanted to clean house.

Scarlet_Fever;960299 wrote:Why didn't the grad assistant call the police immediately? If that had been me walk in on that I'd have beaten the crap out of him right then and there. I'd have called the police and explained to them what I saw and to get there quick because I was going to be punching him silly until they got there to pull me off of him.

I agree and made the same point a few pages back.

The way that pdf reads, grad assistant walks into the locker room and hears water runing and what sounds like sounds of someone having intercourse. He sees a 10-12 year old boy getting his sh** pushed in by Sandusky.

Excuse me, I think I would go all Bruce Willis from Pulp Fiction here and find an object to hit Sandusky with (helmet over the head would do the trick).

What kind of human being walks away from that and leaves that poor child with this monster so he can continue having his way with him?

Little Danny;960414 wrote:What kind of human being walks away from that and leaves that poor child with this monster so he can continue having his way with him?

rumor has it that it was Red here...

WebFire;960401 wrote:Funny you say that. On another board, a poster was saying that most of the PSU fans were outraged and wanted to clean house.

I think you're right, overwhelming majority want heads to roll for this, including Paterno's. But that small, delusional minority at Penn State is very vocal and, as it turns out, no better than that faction at any other school.

Maybe I'm just not fanatic enough or maybe I'm just too outside of the situation but I just can't fathom myself attempting to defend OSU or my school's head coach if he did the exact same thing as Paterno in this situation. It could be anyone. I love football and OSU but not enough to attempt to reasonably justify my university if it ever attempted to coverup the sexual assault of children on campus. No way.

But I'm getting off my high horse because I guess you can never really tell what you'll do. I doubt many Penn Staters thought the words 'morality' and 'allegations of child molestation' were going to be part of the discussion of Paterno's final years.

Scarlet_Fever;960299 wrote:Why didn't the grad assistant call the police immediately? If that had been me walk in on that I'd have beaten the crap out of him right then and there. I'd have called the police and explained to them what I saw and to get there quick because I was going to be punching him silly until they got there to pull me off of him.

He said he went home that night and told his father. His father told him to go to Paterno's house in the morning and tell him. The coverup began at that moment.The GA's(McQueary) father was involved with the football program in some way. Just tell Paterno, then you're off the hook. NO phone calls, don't tell him at the athletic facilities, go to his house.

Little Danny;960414 wrote:I agree and made the same point a few pages back.

The way that pdf reads, grad assistant walks into the locker room and hears water runing and what sounds like sounds of someone having intercourse. He sees a 10-12 year old boy getting his sh** pushed in by Sandusky.

Excuse me, I think I would go all Bruce Willis from Pulp Fiction here and find an object to hit Sandusky with (helmet over the head would do the trick).

What kind of human being walks away from that and leaves that poor child with this monster so he can continue having his way with him?

The cover up started RIGHT THEN AND THERE....protect Penn State's reputation REGARDLESS of who or how many children got hurt. McQueary was the person who actually witnessed the crime. He knows to this day, coaching all those years in that same locker room, that Sandusky was getting off scott free. He knew that an ongoing 9 year cover up had protected Sandusky. He knew his job depended on the coverup, he knew the success of the football program in general and Penn State University in particular depended on the cover up.

killer_ewok;959452 wrote:This is sounding more and more like A Serbian Film. #puke

I am Serbian, what the hell does that mean?!

karen lotz;960155 wrote:One of the creepiest posts in OC history.

From the creepiest poster in OC history.

On ESPN's The Reporters today, the subject was raised (I'm going off information posted on an OSU board, I didn't see it). One reporter, the guy from the Boston Globe, actually said: at least Paterno reported it to the AD, that's more than Tressel did at OSU.

I kid you not. To my knowledge, none of the other reporters on that panel called this idiot out for equating selling stuff for tattoos with the rape of a 10 year old child.

And Penn State just NOW decides to bar Sandusky from campus???????

http://post-gazette.com/pg/11310/1188010-100.stm

GoPens;960531 wrote:And Penn State just NOW decides to bar Sandusky from campus???????

http://post-gazette.com/pg/11310/1188010-100.stm

After he was "retired" amid other accusations, PSU went ahead and made him some kind of coach "emeritus" which is how he had an office on campus and keys to all the facilities. There had already been investigations and allegations about him and young boys, and they still gave him the keys to the castle so he could continue his raping.