xKoToVxSyNdRoMe
Posts: 1,054
Dec 28, 2011 10:24pm
I would be very happy with Kalis. He is a very good player at a position of need. I'm not going to blame a kid for wanting what is best for him either way. With all the things that happened can't blame him for thinking Michigan may be a better place for him at the time. Now that things have been sorted out, if he rethinks things and decides OSU is better for him great, if not, good luck to him. Not going to bash a high schooler for whatever decision he makes regarding what school he goes to.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 28, 2011 11:00pm
With Hoke's hard policy on recruits visiting other schools, I doubt Kalis is visiting elsewhere unless he has decided to not attend Michigan.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Dec 28, 2011 11:01pm
WebFire;1029687 wrote:With Hoke's hard policy on recruits visiting other schools, I doubt Kalis is visiting elsewhere unless he has decided to not attend Michigan.
Hopefully not, you guys can have him.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 28, 2011 11:02pm
FYI...nothing on the Michigan boards I visit.
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Dec 29, 2011 6:06am
WebFire;1029687 wrote:With Hoke's hard policy on recruits visiting other schools, I doubt Kalis is visiting elsewhere unless he has decided to not attend Michigan.
Explain his hard policy
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Dec 29, 2011 7:49am
Sounds like a pretty ridiculous policy. So, if a 5* is committed to UM, and he decides he wants to visit Notre Dame, does Hoke pull his scholly?WebFire;1029687 wrote:With Hoke's hard policy on recruits visiting other schools, I doubt Kalis is visiting elsewhere unless he has decided to not attend Michigan.
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Dec 29, 2011 7:52am
se-alum;1029748 wrote:Sounds like a pretty ridiculous policy. So, if a 5* is committed to UM, and he decides he wants to visit Notre Dame, does Hoke pull his scholly?
But it's OK for a 5* rb who is committed to another school to visit UM.
OneBuckeye
Posts: 5,888
Dec 29, 2011 7:52am
He doesn't pull it, he just doesn't gaurentee their spot.se-alum;1029748 wrote:Sounds like a pretty ridiculous policy. So, if a 5* is committed to UM, and he decides he wants to visit Notre Dame, does Hoke pull his scholly?
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Dec 29, 2011 7:59am
I imagine the spot is guaranteed for a top recruit, maybe not for some of the lesser guys though. Also, wouldn't it essentially be pulling his schollie if he gives the spot to someone else after a recruit has committed?OneBuckeye;1029751 wrote:He doesn't pull it, he just doesn't gaurentee their spot.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Dec 29, 2011 8:08am
true...and with the prospect of facing Spence, Washington, Schutt & Pittman over the next 3-4 years, would you blame the kid?se-alum;1029609 wrote:I don't believe he'll come to OSU, but let's not forget that he reaffirmed his commitment to OSU just weeks before he committed to tsun.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Dec 29, 2011 10:20am
centralbucksfan;1029587 wrote:I can't give the kid any crap for what he is doing. When he committed to OSU originally, there were quite a few issues going on and A LOT of uncertainty. I couldn't blame him for changing his mind.
These. Things were a mess at OSU so I can't blame a kid for looking out for his own best interests. Although as vball said on another thread - maybe just earlier in this one - I do think it's strange to want to go to OSU and then switch to Michigan. But that's just me being a fan.xKoToVxSyNdRoMe;1029631 wrote:I'm not going to blame a kid for wanting what is best for him either way. With all the things that happened can't blame him for thinking Michigan may be a better place for him at the time. Now that things have been sorted out, if he rethinks things and decides OSU is better for him great, if not, good luck to him. Not going to bash a high schooler for whatever decision he makes regarding what school he goes to.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 29, 2011 10:25am
If they visit another school, Michigan considers them uncommitted. You think it's ridiculous because it's Hoke and Michinga, but they aren't the only ones that do it.se-alum;1029748 wrote:Sounds like a pretty ridiculous policy. So, if a 5* is committed to UM, and he decides he wants to visit Notre Dame, does Hoke pull his scholly?
Michigan recently cut ties with a 4* TE/DE because he took a visit somewhere else even knowing the coaches position on this. He did it behind their back. As sleeper would say, we don't want him unless he wants to be there.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 29, 2011 10:26am
If a guy is taking visits, he really isn't that committed. Don't be silly.bases_loaded;1029750 wrote:But it's OK for a 5* rb who is committed to another school to visit UM.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Dec 29, 2011 10:56am
No, I don't think it's ridiculous, because it's Michigan, I think it's ridiculous because it makes no sense, no matter the program. These are 17 & 18 year old kids, who have a great opportunity to travel the country and see different Universities. Just because a kid takes another visit, doesn't mean he doesn't want to be at Michigan. Word is Urban doesn't like kids taking visits after they commit, and I don't agree with him either. If you're confident in your recruiting ability and what your university has to offer, there's no reason to discourage a kid from taking visits, even after they committed.WebFire;1029855 wrote:If they visit another school, Michigan considers them uncommitted. You think it's ridiculous because it's Hoke and Michinga, but they aren't the only ones that do it.
Michigan recently cut ties with a 4* TE/DE because he took a visit somewhere else even knowing the coaches position on this. He did it behind their back. As sleeper would say, we don't want him unless he wants to be there.
Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Dec 29, 2011 11:17am
I wasn't a football player but a swimmer, but I can tell you I damn made sure I took all 5 of my official visits even though I knew where I was going once I visited there. As an 18 year old, most people haven't really traveled a lot besides family vacations. It is nice to go somewhere new without your parents and being treated well because the players are trying to impress you.
No reason a coach should be a stickler about these 18 year old kids wanting to use their official visits.
No reason a coach should be a stickler about these 18 year old kids wanting to use their official visits.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Dec 29, 2011 11:26am
WebFire;1029855 wrote:If they visit another school, Michigan considers them uncommitted. You think it's ridiculous because it's Hoke and Michinga, but they aren't the only ones that do it.
Michigan recently cut ties with a 4* TE/DE because he took a visit somewhere else even knowing the coaches position on this. He did it behind their back. As sleeper would say, we don't want him unless he wants to be there.
I think it's ridiculous because when someone UM REALLY wants says FU I'm taking my damn visits that "policy" will be called into question by everyone not named Brady Hoke. It will happen, and he'll look dumber than a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 29, 2011 11:28am
I've never said that. I've only said if a kid chooses another school, especially a school that isn't any good, then he's not a winner. Look at Notre Dame, they get all of these 5*, 4* recruits and can't put together a halfway decent team for the past 20 years. Why is that? Because these 4 and 5 star kids aren't winners, they are the players who can't cut it at a championship caliber school.WebFire;1029855 wrote:As sleeper would say, we don't want him unless he wants to be there.
Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Dec 29, 2011 11:37am
Or they are thinking about more than just football and actually are winners in the grand scheme of things. Aren't you always emphasizing being a STUDENT-athlete?sleeper;1029911 wrote:I've never said that. I've only said if a kid chooses another school, especially a school that isn't any good, then he's not a winner. Look at Notre Dame, they get all of these 5*, 4* recruits and can't put together a halfway decent team for the past 20 years. Why is that? Because these 4 and 5 star kids aren't winners, they are the players who can't cut it at a championship caliber school.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 29, 2011 11:37am
Haha. Way to look at from a fan perspective. Look at it from a coach's perspective. If you get a commit from a kid, and you quit recruiting the spot, then 6 months later he decommits, you've just wasted 6 months of recruiting that position.se-alum;1029876 wrote:No, I don't think it's ridiculous, because it's Michigan, I think it's ridiculous because it makes no sense, no matter the program. These are 17 & 18 year old kids, who have a great opportunity to travel the country and see different Universities. Just because a kid takes another visit, doesn't mean he doesn't want to be at Michigan. Word is Urban doesn't like kids taking visits after they commit, and I don't agree with him either. If you're confident in your recruiting ability and what your university has to offer, there's no reason to discourage a kid from taking visits, even after they committed.
I guess one important piece we've left out is that Hoke stresses to the kids to no commit unless they are ready. Once they commit, they are COMMITTED.
Maybe the word commitment means nothing to you? Coaches hardly encourage their commits to visit other schools. That is very naive thinking.
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Dec 29, 2011 11:42am
Sorry, its big time college football. The coach could leave the next day after recruiting a kid as well. And yes, it does happen. I happen to think its a bit ridiculous as well. And NO, not because its UM. If OSU were doing it, I would think the same. In this day and age, the recruit is in the barn when they sign on the line. Before that, there are NO gaurantees. It can go both ways. Coaches bolt quite often.WebFire;1029936 wrote:Haha. Way to look at from a fan perspective. Look at it from a coach's perspective. If you get a commit from a kid, and you quit recruiting the spot, then 6 months later he decommits, you've just wasted 6 months of recruiting that position.
I guess one important piece we've left out is that Hoke stresses to the kids to no commit unless they are ready. Once they commit, they are COMMITTED.
Maybe the word commitment means nothing to you? Coaches hardly encourage their commits to visit other schools. That is very naive thinking.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 29, 2011 11:46am
You're right, it's big time football. Commit and be committed. If you aren't committed, make your visits. Seems pretty simple.centralbucksfan;1029949 wrote:Sorry, its big time college football. The coach could leave the next day after recruiting a kid as well. And yes, it does happen. I happen to think its a bit ridiculous as well. And NO, not because its UM. If OSU were doing it, I would think the same. In this day and age, the recruit is in the barn when they sign on the line. Before that, there are NO gaurantees. It can go both ways. Coaches bolt quite often.
Your coach bolting example is not really relevant to this conversation.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 29, 2011 11:47am
Ohio State is the premier ACADEMIC and athletic institution in the country. Of course the student part is important to me, that's why only winners chose Ohio State, the others transfer to Michigan.Fly4Fun;1029934 wrote:Or they are thinking about more than just football and actually are winners in the grand scheme of things. Aren't you always emphasizing being a STUDENT-athlete?
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Dec 29, 2011 11:50am
This is just an asinine argument. So, say the number one recruit in the nation like Pryor a few years ago makes a visit or two after committing to UM and Hoke pulled the offer...do you honestly think the AD, administration, alumni et al wouldn't have his fat balls in a sling?WebFire;1029952 wrote:You're right, it's big time football. Commit and be committed. If you aren't committed, make your visits. Seems pretty simple.
Your coach bolting example is not really relevant to this conversation.
it's stupid
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Dec 29, 2011 12:10pm
He would never do it, like I said, it's a policy for the lesser recruits.ytownfootball;1029960 wrote:This is just an asinine argument. So, say the number one recruit in the nation like Pryor a few years ago makes a visit or two after committing to UM and Hoke pulled the offer...do you honestly think the AD, administration, alumni et al wouldn't have his fat balls in a sling?
it's stupid
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Dec 29, 2011 12:12pm
I'm looking at it from a human perspective. No reason you shouldn't let these teenagers enjoy the recruiting process without fear of losing their schollie.WebFire;1029936 wrote:Haha. Way to look at from a fan perspective. Look at it from a coach's perspective. If you get a commit from a kid, and you quit recruiting the spot, then 6 months later he decommits, you've just wasted 6 months of recruiting that position.
I guess one important piece we've left out is that Hoke stresses to the kids to no commit unless they are ready. Once they commit, they are COMMITTED.
Maybe the word commitment means nothing to you? Coaches hardly encourage their commits to visit other schools. That is very naive thinking.