Jacobs wouldn't spend 214 million on one player. It's a 9 year contract, I think the tigers will benefit early, but toward the end of his contract they will be hurting.Crimson streak;1064390 wrote:You have to spend money to make money. The Jacobs were smart they knew bringing in bigger names would pay for its self. Dolan is just a Jew ass bastard
Shapiro & Antonetti are shitting their pants right now. With V-Mart going down there was a glimmer of hope for this year. The Tribe was close but that may have gone out the window for the next 5 years. Guys on 92.3 said it was comparable to the Ravens/Steelers being so close in the AFC North and then the Ravens signing Aaron Rodgers.Y-Town Steelhound;1064488 wrote:As sad as it is to say, the Detroit Tigers are a well run organization. They don't hide behind the excuse of being a "small market" team. They spend, they care, they win. As long as the SAD trio (Shapiro/Antonetti/Dolan) continues to run this franchise into the ground, Indians fans can expect to be nothing but sad. God I would give anything for Dan Gilbert to buy the Indians.
Was that really necessary?Crimson streak;1064390 wrote:You have to spend money to make money. The Jacobs were smart they knew bringing in bigger names would pay for its self. Dolan is just a Jew ass bastard
We have a cheap owner...and baseball cap rules blow. Just remember, every time you eat a Little Ceasar's pizza pie, you are contributing to the demise of the Indians chances of beating Detroit.Y-Town Steelhound;1064488 wrote:As sad as it is to say, the Detroit Tigers are a well run organization. They don't hide behind the excuse of being a "small market" team. They spend, they care, they win. As long as the SAD trio (Shapiro/Antonetti/Dolan) continues to run this franchise into the ground, Indians fans can expect to be nothing but sad. God I would give anything for Dan Gilbert to buy the Indians.
The Cleveland Indians, by no short task, have retaken their throne as the most poorly run franchise in Cleveland (at least the Browns try). Hard to imagine that just under 20 years ago this franchise was the gold standard for small market teams and had one of the new "shrines" of baseball. Funny what a change of ownership can do, but boy oh boy snow days is just swell! :rolleyes:
Again, if only Dan Gilbert could buy the Tribe. Dolan owning the Tribe is like buying a 20 room mansion and not having enough money to furnish it.Footwedge;1064502 wrote:We have a cheap owner...and baseball cap rules blow. Just remember, every time you eat a Little Ceasar's pizza pie, you are contributing to the demise of the Indians chances of beating Detroit.
Footwedge;1064502 wrote:We have a cheap owner...and baseball cap rules blow. Just remember, every time you eat a Little Ceasar's pizza pie, you are contributing to the demise of the Indians chances of beating Detroit.
Y-Town Steelhound;1064488 wrote:As sad as it is to say, the Detroit Tigers are a well run organization. They don't hide behind the excuse of being a "small market" team. They spend, they care, they win. As long as the SAD trio (Shapiro/Antonetti/Dolan) continues to run this franchise into the ground, Indians fans can expect to be nothing but sad. God I would give anything for Dan Gilbert to buy the Indians.
The Cleveland Indians, by no short task, have retaken their throne as the most poorly run franchise in Cleveland (at least the Browns try). Hard to imagine that just under 20 years ago this franchise was the gold standard for small market teams and had one of the new "shrines" of baseball. Funny what a change of ownership can do, but boy oh boy snow days is just swell! :rolleyes:
These quotes pretty much sum it up.Y-Town Steelhound;1064504 wrote:Mark Shapiro is THE most overrated front office person in baseball today and it amazes me how some people still defend him. The guy made his career off of ONE damn trade over a decade ago that wasn't even that good considering 1. He let the best player of the deal go to Cincy for free, 2. He essentially gave away the 2nd best player in that deal to the Phillies, and 3. the 3rd best player from that deal, who is as durable as wet paper, gets extension after extension.
But the man is a "genius" after all. Oh what's that? You signed Jason Michaels and Mark DeRosa? Good Job! Oh what's that? You traded the best pitcher in baseball for Matt LaPorta? Good Job! You traded our two best pitching prospects for an overrated head case with a 45 second delivery and no idea where the strike zone is? Good Job! Oh you re-signed another 1 year wonder with no control who turns out to be a completely different person! Good Job! Way to do a background check! Here's a promotion and a raise!
Absolutely awful. The Indians are going nowhere until the SAD trio is out of Cleveland.
The Tribe's payroll will be about $62-$65 million. We didn't sign any big contracts but our arbitration guys all got raises.TBone14;1064482 wrote:Tribe payroll will be around 48 million. Miggy and Prince will make 44 million.
Hard to compete.
Did you just call Brandon Phillips better than Cliff Lee?Y-Town Steelhound;1064504 wrote:The guy made his career off of ONE damn trade over a decade ago that wasn't even that good considering 1. He let the best player of the deal go to Cincy for free, 2. He essentially gave away the 2nd best player in that deal to the Phillies
I couldn't disagree more. I blame Wedge for screwing the Phillips situation up and he wasn't the best player from that trade, Lee is. As for Grady...the guy played 157 games for 4 straight years, an All-Star and Gold Glover. He suffered a freak injury that wasn't Shapiro's doing.Y-Town Steelhound;1064504 wrote:Mark Shapiro is THE most overrated front office person in baseball today and it amazes me how some people still defend him. The guy made his career off of ONE damn trade over a decade ago that wasn't even that good considering 1. He let the best player of the deal go to Cincy for free, 2. He essentially gave away the 2nd best player in that deal to the Phillies, and 3. the 3rd best player from that deal, who is as durable as wet paper, gets extension after extension.
But the man is a "genius" after all. Oh what's that? You signed Jason Michaels and Mark DeRosa? Good Job! Oh what's that? You traded the best pitcher in baseball for Matt LaPorta? Good Job! You traded our two best pitching prospects for an overrated head case with a 45 second delivery and no idea where the strike zone is? Good Job! Oh you re-signed another 1 year wonder with no control who turns out to be a completely different person! Good Job! Way to do a background check! Here's a promotion and a raise!
Absolutely awful. The Indians are going nowhere until the SAD trio is out of Cleveland.
And that can be countered by saying we got Brantley and LaPorta back for CC. We got Marson, Donald, and Carrasco back for Cliff Lee and Ben Francisco. We got Jeff Stevens for Brandon Phillips. We got Matt Lawton and Alex Escobar for Robbie Alomar.grodt;1064542 wrote:You cite Mark DeRosa who we got a good half-season from then flipped for Chris Perez, our current closer. He turned Ben Broussard and Eduardo Perez for Shin-Soo Choo and Asdrubal Cabrera. Once more...we got two of our best players for two guys that haven't taken an at-bat since 2008. He flipped Casey Blake for Carlos Santana, our best hitter.
And the 1 playoff appearance and 7 losing seasons we've had in the past 10 seasons is also a result of his work (especially 2006, 2008, and 2009 when they actually should have competed), accompanied by the Dolans and Wedge.grodt;1064542 wrote:Look I may be in the minority but I refuse to blame Shapiro for our current state of affairs. Any semblance of hope we have going into this season is a result of his work.