Cleveland Indians Hot Stove---2011-2012

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Oct 27, 2011 6:28 PM
It will soon begin.....
The Tribe has three days from from the final out of the World Series to decide whether to pick up the options on Sizemore and Carmona. It will have huge implications on what other off season moves will be made.

http://cleveland.indians.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111021&content_id=25740002&vkey=news_cle&c_id=cle


Interesting to note that the Twins did not pick up the option on closer Joe Nathan.($12 million)...they are still hoping to keep him at a lesser figure.
Oct 27, 2011 6:28pm
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Oct 27, 2011 6:32 PM
Stove won't even be hot enough for the water to boil.
Oct 27, 2011 6:32pm
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Oct 27, 2011 6:32 PM
Hopefully we can get a right handed power bat. If Dolan is really true to his word he would throw a huge contract at pujols but I doubt he does. I would like to see Cuddyer tho. We also need another solid starter. I wish we could snag cj Wilson but I heard he's asking for a lot
Oct 27, 2011 6:32pm
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Oct 27, 2011 6:41 PM
Lmao Dolan isn't throwing a contract to Pujols.
Oct 27, 2011 6:41pm
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Oct 27, 2011 7:10 PM
I wouldn't pick up the option on Sizemore. Get's hurt way too often for the amount the option is worth ($9 million I believe?)
Oct 27, 2011 7:10pm
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Oct 27, 2011 7:17 PM
I don't see many moves being made. It will be like the Browns past offseason. The team is going to sit back and bank on a lot of young players making big improvements in order to contend next season, realizing there are way too many holes left to fill to accomplish in 1 year.

They might throw a few million at a back end starter or a platoon-type outfielder, but I'd be shocked if any major pieces are added.
Oct 27, 2011 7:17pm
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Oct 27, 2011 7:25 PM
Mulva;947238 wrote:I don't see many moves being made. It will be like the Browns past offseason. The team is going to sit back and bank on a lot of young players making big improvements in order to contend next season, realizing there are way too many holes left to fill to accomplish in 1 year.

They might throw a few million at a back end starter or a platoon-type outfielder, but I'd be shocked if any major pieces are added.

Pretty much what will happen. They already set their franchise back a few years by trading their best pitching prospects for failbaldo.
Oct 27, 2011 7:25pm
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Oct 27, 2011 8:10 PM
It baffles me at the lack of knowledge by some of this fan base. Listening to 92.3 on my drive in they were talking about Sizemore, Hafner & Thome and which player they'd keep. Callers were calling in saying "don't resign Sizemore, release Hafner and use the $20 million to make a SPLASH" as if Hafner's one year remaining on his contract would just disappear..lol
Oct 27, 2011 8:10pm
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Oct 27, 2011 9:12 PM
like_that;947200 wrote:Lmao Dolan isn't throwing a contract to Pujols.

I honestly wouldn't even care if he rejected it or w/e. as long as they make an effort to show there at least trying
Oct 27, 2011 9:12pm
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Oct 27, 2011 10:17 PM
hopefully both carmona and sizemore are told "thanks but no thanks"
Oct 27, 2011 10:17pm
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Oct 27, 2011 11:29 PM
If you don't pick up the options of Sizemore and Carmona, you have $16 Mil to play with....albeit, some players eligible for arbitration are due raises and that will eat into that figure.

If say Pujols could be had for $16 mill( which he can't)...you could look at it like trading Grady and Carmona for Pujols...a trade any of us make any day of the week. It is too bad Fielder bats left handed.
Oct 27, 2011 11:29pm
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Oct 28, 2011 12:24 PM
The day the Dolan's sign a big name free agent like pujols, will be the day hell freezes over.
Oct 28, 2011 12:24pm
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Oct 28, 2011 12:31 PM
Why in the world would they pick up sizemore's option? If he were willing to rework it maybe but there's no way yo pay that guy, what is it $8,000,000.

An injury prone, strikeout artist that is an all -star when healthy doesn't equate to $8mil.

Carmona I would support.

You can't trade Hafner to anyone with what he's making.

it's funny, people want the options picked up and blame Dolan if he doesn't but want a guy like Hafner traded and he can't be because Dolan paid him!!!!
Oct 28, 2011 12:31pm
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Oct 28, 2011 12:55 PM
like_that;947200 wrote:Lmao Dolan isn't throwing a contract to Pujols.
He might do the "lowball offer so we can tell the fans we tried" sort of thing.

"Man, shocked that Pujois didn't return our calls! That 3-yr, 10-million deal was SWEET! Incentives could have taken him up to $12 mil!"
Oct 28, 2011 12:55pm
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Oct 28, 2011 1:16 PM
Of course, the Tribe won't get Pujols... the point I was trying to make was that by turning down the options, there is suddenly a lot of money available....enough to get a really solid right handed bat.
Oct 28, 2011 1:16pm
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Oct 28, 2011 4:50 PM
Heretic;948327 wrote:He might do the "lowball offer so we can tell the fans we tried" sort of thing.

"Man, shocked that Pujois didn't return our calls! That 3-yr, 10-million deal was SWEET! Incentives could have taken him up to $12 mil!"

Yep....pretty much.

I want to see them make a splash, but we all know how that goes
Oct 28, 2011 4:50pm
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Oct 29, 2011 1:45 AM
like_that;947194 wrote:Stove won't even be hot enough for the water to boil.
What if we unload all large contracts in exchange for a propane tank to make it boil? Seems reasonable given Dolan.
Oct 29, 2011 1:45am
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Oct 29, 2011 12:39 PM
^^^probably pretty accurate. The Sentinel's sources are pretty good.
Oct 29, 2011 12:39pm
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Oct 29, 2011 12:41 PM
if true...def a good decision.
Oct 29, 2011 12:41pm
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Oct 29, 2011 12:46 PM
The Indians were pretty adamnant about picking up his option early in Sept. when Shapiro commented on it. However, Sizemore's last stint towards the end of the month ended with him being shut down, and hints of more surgery (albeit minor)....might have been enough to tip the scales to the Indians thinking that $9 mill was a luxury that they couldn't afford to chance on the injury prone outfielder.

Still no official confirmation by the team yet.
Oct 29, 2011 12:46pm
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Oct 29, 2011 12:50 PM
hopefully it is true^^^

should have never even been considering it in the first place
Oct 29, 2011 12:50pm
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Oct 30, 2011 1:21 PM
Good riddance, now watch Grady bat .350, 40hr, 140 RBIs with whoever signs him.
Oct 30, 2011 1:21pm
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Oct 30, 2011 2:26 PM
I hear the Indians have contacted Grady's camp to try to rework the deal but they want them to either pick it up or let him be a free agent. I think some team will spend more money then the Indians offer and take a chance on him (Texas, Washington, San Francisco).
Oct 30, 2011 2:26pm
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Oct 30, 2011 2:37 PM
grodt;950792 wrote:I hear the Indians have contacted Grady's camp to try to rework the deal but they want them to either pick it up or let him be a free agent. I think some team will spend more money then the Indians offer and take a chance on him (Texas, Washington, San Francisco).
just let him go. i really grew tired of grady's act this year
Oct 30, 2011 2:37pm