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Oct 6, 2011 2:27 PM
Hb31187;923800 wrote:Thats another thing i dont understand. How are the NBA players so much worse than the other leagues? They do nothing different.

All pro athletes are overpaid, not just NBA players
All pro athletes bitch about calls, not just NBA players
Sad but true:

MLB are mostly white, so they are eliminated
NFL is mostly seen with helmets on, so we dont see the whining faces or the thuggish attitude up close and personal
NBA is black and we can see them in plain site.

I would guess that this is where the perceived attitude towards NBA players comes from, from the general public.
Oct 6, 2011 2:27pm
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Oct 6, 2011 3:06 PM
Sorry, but I don't recall a time where NFL players ran up the stands to fight fans.
Oct 6, 2011 3:06pm
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Oct 6, 2011 3:11 PM
I watch a lot of NBA so I guess I could say it would suck for there not to be a season but not having an NFL season would have been much worse for me.
Oct 6, 2011 3:11pm
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Oct 6, 2011 3:11 PM
I'd miss seing Irving and Thompson play, but a canceled season would work for me as well. The Cavs would most likely get another great pick either way.
Oct 6, 2011 3:11pm
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Oct 6, 2011 3:13 PM
like_that;923859 wrote:Sorry, but I don't recall a time where NFL players ran up the stands to fight fans.
1 player....

To make it a bit more relevant. Everyone loves Andre Johnson, and he and Finnegan went to blows last year. No one talks about it, or labels them thugs. But when the NBA players get in fights on the court they are. I think it was the Nuggets - Knicks a few years ago.
Oct 6, 2011 3:13pm
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Oct 6, 2011 3:13 PM
like_that;923859 wrote:Sorry, but I don't recall a time where NFL players ran up the stands to fight fans.
Hockey players have done it, but theyre not thugs. Hell, when basketball players fight eachother theyre thugs. But in baseball and hockey its "part of the game"
Oct 6, 2011 3:13pm
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Oct 6, 2011 3:14 PM
hoops23;923865 wrote:I'd miss seing Irving and Thompson play, but a canceled season would work for me as well. The Cavs would most likely get another great pick either way.
I was wondering how they did that. Do they just have another lottery with how they finished in 2010 (without teams getting 2 picks, just a straight draft) or what?
Oct 6, 2011 3:14pm
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Oct 6, 2011 3:20 PM
Laley23;923868 wrote:1 player....

To make it a bit more relevant. Everyone loves Andre Johnson, and he and Finnegan went to blows last year. No one talks about it, or labels them thugs. But when the NBA players get in fights on the court they are. I think it was the Nuggets - Knicks a few years ago.
Exactly
Oct 6, 2011 3:20pm
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Oct 6, 2011 3:29 PM
Hb31187;923869 wrote:Hockey players have done it, but theyre not thugs. Hell, when basketball players fight eachother theyre thugs. But in baseball and hockey its "part of the game"
Soooo, hockey and baseball are relevant to the NFL how?
Oct 6, 2011 3:29pm
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Oct 6, 2011 3:31 PM
Laley23;923868 wrote:1 player....

To make it a bit more relevant. Everyone loves Andre Johnson, and he and Finnegan went to blows last year. No one talks about it, or labels them thugs. But when the NBA players get in fights on the court they are. I think it was the Nuggets - Knicks a few years ago.
You also have to factor how those guys act off the court too. Sure there are def idiots in the NFL, there just seems to be many more thug idiots in the NBA.
Oct 6, 2011 3:31pm
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Oct 6, 2011 3:36 PM
like_that;923891 wrote:Soooo, hockey and baseball are relevant to the NFL how?
I was talking about how people look at the athletes of each of those respected sports. Basketball players get a bad rap for doing the same things players in the other professional leagues do, and theres not really a good reason for it.
Oct 6, 2011 3:36pm
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Oct 6, 2011 3:37 PM
like_that;923895 wrote:You also have to factor how those guys act off the court too. Sure there are def idiots in the NFL, there just seems to be many more thug idiots in the NBA.
I would bank that more NFL "thugs" get in trouble than NBA "thugs". Probably just because theres more NFL players overall. Id bet the % is about the same, but theres no real way to prove it

I mean aside from Artest and Crittenton(sp) there really hasnt been too many NBA players gettin in big big trouble lately. Hell theres probably been more players on the Bengals gettin in trouble the past 2 years then the NBA as a whole haha
Oct 6, 2011 3:37pm
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Oct 6, 2011 3:43 PM
There are contradictions all over sports. Hockey, fighting has always been accepted. Baseball, well, they dont really fight. They run out and mill around for a bit.

You are a good fan in some sports if you yell and scream, in othe sports you have to keep quiet.


As far as getting in trouble........Well, the NFL does have a 53 man roster compared to what, 12 or 15 in the NBA?

Alot of European and foreign guys in the NBA and I think they are keeping the arrest rates lower than maybe in the NFL.

Hockey? Well, they are almost all white and that crime isnt nearly as bad.


Yeah, i said it. So what. What is the predominate race that gets into trouble with the law?
Oct 6, 2011 3:43pm
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Oct 6, 2011 4:12 PM
like_that;923895 wrote:You also have to factor how those guys act off the court too. Sure there are def idiots in the NFL, there just seems to be many more thug idiots in the NBA.
I really just think the idiots are louder and dont have the restrictions on them in the media that NFL players do. Chris Henry, Plax, Adam Jones, and a few others Im sure Im missing are just as outlandish and thuggish as Artest, Crittenden, Iverson. But they dont get to take the stand and talk about it. NBA the media selects the players after each game and before each game who is going to be interviewed and at the pressers. In the NFL, its the same to an extent, but the QB is almost always there as well as the star for the team. With so many players and only games once a week with Saturday as a media day...the time for these morons to talk publicly is drastically reduced compared to those in the NBA.

Not really disagreeing that the NBA may have more, cause I cant say one way or the other. But the public has unfairly labeled the NBA as a "gangster/thug" league while the NFL can do no wrong. Same types of things happen in both leagues.
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Oct 6, 2011 4:19 PM
Laley23;923935 wrote:I really just think the idiots are louder and dont have the restrictions on them in the media that NFL players do. Chris Henry, Plax, Adam Jones, and a few others Im sure Im missing are just as outlandish and thuggish as Artest, Crittenden, Iverson. But they dont get to take the stand and talk about it. NBA the media selects the players after each game and before each game who is going to be interviewed and at the pressers. In the NFL, its the same to an extent, but the QB is almost always there as well as the star for the team. With so many players and only games once a week with Saturday as a media day...the time for these morons to talk publicly is drastically reduced compared to those in the NBA.

Not really disagreeing that the NBA may have more, cause I cant say one way or the other. But the public has unfairly labeled the NBA as a "gangster/thug" league while the NFL can do no wrong. Same types of things happen in both leagues.

Part of that reason is because football is king, at all levels.

Also, when you watch an NBA game you can very easily see all the players inked up, wearing the baggy pants, and when they get into eachother's face and such it is so much easier to see than in the NFL. You get a more up close look at NBA players, and what they say and how they look as opposed to the NFL.
Also it may sound stupid but some of the players in the NFL wear different arm sleeves or whatnot. The NFL has a uniform code thay can wear just those black things on the elbows or long sleeves.



Most barking back and forth in the NFL is either off camera to the viewer, or too far away from the fan if they are at the game, and much of it is hidden because of the facemask.

Much of it can come down to race as well. The NBA doesnt have a very high percentage of high profile white players. The NFL has quite a number of white guys in prominant, star roles.
Oct 6, 2011 4:19pm
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Oct 6, 2011 9:50 PM
thavoice;923950 wrote:Part of that reason is because football is king, at all levels.

Also, when you watch an NBA game you can very easily see all the players inked up, wearing the baggy pants, and when they get into eachother's face and such it is so much easier to see than in the NFL. You get a more up close look at NBA players, and what they say and how they look as opposed to the NFL.
Also it may sound stupid but some of the players in the NFL wear different arm sleeves or whatnot. The NFL has a uniform code thay can wear just those black things on the elbows or long sleeves.



Most barking back and forth in the NFL is either off camera to the viewer, or too far away from the fan if they are at the game, and much of it is hidden because of the facemask.

Much of it can come down to race as well. The NBA doesnt have a very high percentage of high profile white players. The NFL has quite a number of white guys in prominant, star roles.
Yep. Exactly what I said/was getting at in my first post.
Oct 6, 2011 9:50pm
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Oct 6, 2011 10:34 PM
Hb31187;923800 wrote:All pro athletes are overpaid, not just NBA players
Even though you were defending the NBA and not knocking other leagues, I'll disagree. Athletes get paid as much as they do due to the amount of revenue they/their team/their sport brings in, and they perform an activity at a level that 99.9% of society couldn't.
Laley23;923823 wrote: MLB are mostly white, so they are eliminated
I've actually wondered about that. Is the majority race in baseball white or hispanic?
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Mulva;924415 wrote:Even though you were defending the NBA and not knocking other leagues, I'll disagree. Athletes get paid as much as they do due to the amount of revenue they/their team/their sport brings in, and they perform an activity at a level that 99.9% of society couldn't.



I've actually wondered about that. Is the majority race in baseball white or hispanic?
From a 2009 article:

MLB:
60% white
29% hispanic
8% black
3% asian

NFL:
66% black
31% white
2% asian
1 % hispanic.

NBA:
76% black
20% white
3% hispanic
1% asian
Oct 7, 2011 2:37pm
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Oct 10, 2011 9:59 PM
First 2 weeks of the regular season is officially cancelled
Oct 10, 2011 9:59pm
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Oct 10, 2011 10:02 PM
oh well.

it is funny how much more popular the nfl is than the nba. People were truly worried about the NFL and its lockout...most people I know could give a shit less about whether the NBA starts before February.
Oct 10, 2011 10:02pm
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Oct 10, 2011 10:02 PM
thavoice;925146 wrote:From a 2009 article:

MLB:
60% white
29% hispanic
8% black
3% asian
Nice find. Figured it would be a lot closer than that. Even just looking at the ALCS lineups you got Santiago, Cabrera, Martinez, Peralta, Avila, Andrus, Beltre, and Cruz as position players.

A lot of pitchers seem to be white. Maybe that's where numbers come from.
Oct 10, 2011 10:02pm
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Oct 10, 2011 10:04 PM
Hispanic, white, black, Asian are not the same things.

You are either Hispanic or Non-Hispanic. THEN you are a race.
Oct 10, 2011 10:04pm
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Oct 10, 2011 11:14 PM
Looks like I'm only going to be watching College Basketball just like usual this Winter.
Oct 10, 2011 11:14pm
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Oct 10, 2011 11:41 PM
On a real note though, I'm a senior Sport Management major looking for jobs and this takes away a large group of job opportunities in an already tough industry. I also know of a guy who got hired out of college in the spring to work for the Cavs. He could likely be laid off now. Tough situation for the other people that put on these pro sporting events and work for these teams.
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Firad;929720 wrote:On a real note though, I'm a senior Sport Management major looking for jobs and this takes away a large group of job opportunities in an already tough industry. I also know of a guy who got hired out of college in the spring to work for the Cavs. He could likely be laid off now. Tough situation for the other people that put on these pro sporting events and work for these teams.
That is a hard market but you had to know what you were getting in to when you declared that as your major.
Oct 11, 2011 1:29am