O-Trap;946236 wrote:I don't think I've heard TOO many Congressional Republicans address them. What have they said?

For starters....

"A growing chorus of GOP leaning pundits and officials have stepped up their criticism of the “Occupy Wall Street” movement, which started in lower Manhattan and is spreading to other cities.House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) called the protests “mobs” who have pitted “Americans against Americans.” Presidential candidate Herman Cain was among the most caustic, stating that the protesters were “jealous Americans who play the victim card and want to take someone else’s Cadillac.”

http://www.duffysoapbox.com/?p=706

OTrap...seems to me you've missed the news this week. Sometimes that happens to everyone.

I Wear Pants;946077 wrote:[video=youtube;QqNOPZLw03Q][/video]

The part here I find disturbing is when people go to help someone who has fallen down or injured themselves. And the damn police think it's a great idea to throw flashbangs into the crowd. Abhorrent.

Don't worry. That was just a bean bag.

Question: Did the Police deploy rubber bullets, flash-bang grenades?
Answer: No, the loud noised that were heard originated from M-80 explosives thrown at Police by protesters. In addition, Police fired approximately four bean bag rounds at protesters to stop them from throwing dangerous objects at the officers.

Also, all use of force is being investigated, so I'm sure any excessive use of force will come to light and the perpetrators justly punished.

I Wear Pants;946263 wrote:What?

they are egging the police on hoping the police do things like this. look how many ran with the crowd with their cameras out etc. bet you if only one person or two went to help the fallen person, a flashbang wouldnt have been thrown. its nothing new, kent state was a great example.

Footwedge;946268 wrote:For starters....

"A growing chorus of GOP leaning pundits and officials have stepped up their criticism of the “Occupy Wall Street” movement, which started in lower Manhattan and is spreading to other cities.House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) called the protests “mobs” who have pitted “Americans against Americans.” Presidential candidate Herman Cain was among the most caustic, stating that the protesters were “jealous Americans who play the victim card and want to take someone else’s Cadillac.”

http://www.duffysoapbox.com/?p=706

OTrap...seems to me you've missed the news this week. Sometimes that happens to everyone.

Mr. Blogger seems to have trouble differentiating between a "growing chorus" and well...two.

Love your "news" sources though...and FWIW, Cain is spot on.

I Wear Pants;946193 wrote:Nice try to turn it into a "herp derp liberal media" thing, the media has been calling the OWS folks crazy, confused, etc.

I haven't seen one MSM report say any such thing about them. Not one. Got some links to video or news sites where they referred to the protesters this way?

Every news report I've seen on them has treated them as a legit protest group; there has been no focus on negative signs, negative sayings; nothing negative at all. And certainly nothing even close to the venom that was spewed toward Tea Party groups when they were gathered together.

Footwedge;946268 wrote:Presidential candidate Herman Cain was among the most caustic, stating that the protesters were “jealous Americans who play the victim card and want to take someone else’s Cadillac.”

Cain has most of these people pegged with that statement. They are not your Ron Paul type crowd. There are a few common issues but they are miles away from what Ron Paul stands for. They want to use the power of the government to take from the "rich" and give them what they believe they have a "right" to. Not a right to pursue on their own without interference from the government but a "right" that must be provided by the government.

Ron's son Rand sees this for what it is as well. He categorized them as a "French mob". You know what he meant by that.

Life is not easy. It has not been that way for me. College was rough and expensive. My dad had no money to help me out. He did not even graduate high school. My first year right after my last class for the day I worked for 7-8hrs until around midnight M-F. I worked for a cleaning company that serviced office buildings. My 2nd year I worked mid-nights packing plastic bottles in a factory full time. Then went to school first thing in the morning with a full time schedule. I only did this one semester after my second year. It was hell. Full time work and full time school at the same time is a killer.

I paid my student loan off. I drove shitty cars. I did not have cable TV. But I got it done. Never once crossed my mind to protest and demand that the government should tax some ultra rich dude pay my loan. There is common ground with some of these people but I am not a leach. Unfortunately many of these clowns are.

Took me more than 10 years to pay off my loans, and it never entered my mind that someone should be responsible for MY debts. The whole entitlement-victim thing is one of the forces that fuel big government and have us heading for the abyss.

Writerbuckeye;946406 wrote:Took me more than 10 years to pay off my loans, and it never entered my mind that someone should be responsible for MY debts. The whole entitlement-victim thing is one of the forces that fuel big government and have us heading for the abyss.

+1000. What's $10k to the billionaire? They have SOOOOOO much. The problem is, what makes you better or more deserving than me or the next person? $10k to the poorest 150M Americans would be $1.5T....the math doesn't work, not to mention $10k isn't going to do a whole lot for you (they would pay down some loans, maybe get a car, and then start crying for their next handout).

Student loan debt is interesting though. Outside of agreeing with it not being forgiveable because it's the taxpayer dime, why should the debt be otherwise different than other debts which can be discharged in bankruptcy? Problem is, most students don't have a credit history so I don't know how the free market would make college affordable for the deserving, although the free market would probably find a way (high school grades, test scores, choice of college and major). Complicated subject. I've said the govt shouldn't be in it, but there are certainly arguments for it. In the long-run, the effect of inflating tuition prices is probably costing all students more than would be the case with higher, non-subsidized interest rates.

gut;946476 wrote:+1000. What's $10k to the billionaire? They have SOOOOOO much. The problem is, what makes you better or more deserving than me or the next person? $10k to the poorest 150M Americans would be $1.5T....the math doesn't work, not to mention $10k isn't going to do a whole lot for you (they would pay down some loans, maybe get a car, and then start crying for their next handout).

Student loan debt is interesting though. Outside of agreeing with it not being forgiveable because it's the taxpayer dime, why should the debt be otherwise different than other debts which can be discharged in bankruptcy? Problem is, most students don't have a credit history so I don't know how the free market would make college affordable for the deserving, although the free market would probably find a way (high school grades, test scores, choice of college and major). Complicated subject. I've said the govt shouldn't be in it, but there are certainly arguments for it. In the long-run, the effect of inflating tuition prices is probably costing all students more than would be the case with higher, non-subsidized interest rates.

Your take on the cause and effects of federally finded tuitions costs and the unbelivable bubble that it has created absolutely shocks me. Why? Because it is the first time you've ever gotten one right. Your analysis is well thought out, and absolutely spot on.

The current government situation with student loans doesn't help anyone. I think there does need to be some sort of answer though because without that funding a lot of people wouldn't be able to go to school (yes, even if costs go down because of the ending of subsidies, which I'm not sure they would or do so appreciably). I just don't know what it is though.

Glory Days;946299 wrote:they are egging the police on hoping the police do things like this. look how many ran with the crowd with their cameras out etc. bet you if only one person or two went to help the fallen person, a flashbang wouldnt have been thrown. its nothing new, kent state was a great example.

Listen very carefully, because someone is filming, people are yelling, or 15 people rush to help someone who is hurt or fallen is not an excuse to use flash bangs or shoot them with "less than lethal" rounds, or tase them, or hit them, etc. All of which have been done to protesters throughout this shit.

Writerbuckeye;946337 wrote:I haven't seen one MSM report say any such thing about them. Not one. Got some links to video or news sites where they referred to the protesters this way?

Every news report I've seen on them has treated them as a legit protest group; there has been no focus on negative signs, negative sayings; nothing negative at all. And certainly nothing even close to the venom that was spewed toward Tea Party groups when they were gathered together.

You are blind.

Footwedge;946268 wrote:For starters....

"A growing chorus of GOP leaning pundits and officials have stepped up their criticism of the “Occupy Wall Street” movement, which started in lower Manhattan and is spreading to other cities.House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) called the protests “mobs” who have pitted “Americans against Americans.” Presidential candidate Herman Cain was among the most caustic, stating that the protesters were “jealous Americans who play the victim card and want to take someone else’s Cadillac.”

http://www.duffysoapbox.com/?p=706

OTrap...seems to me you've missed the news this week. Sometimes that happens to everyone.

That's technically a blog, though most blogs anymore do copy-pasta from news articles.

I wasn't doubting it at all. I was genuinely curious, as I had indeed missed any news of it.

You'll forgive me, but even though I am not a modern Republican (though I'm now registered as one for a bit ... ), I work in a division and for a company that is as Republican as I've ever seen (I think we've had this discussion). So I don't see things that paint the GOP in a negative light unless I know what I'm looking for.

Fortunately, the eggheads in the GOP side of Congress still make it too easy to ridicule many of them.

Writerbuckeye;946406 wrote:Took me more than 10 years to pay off my loans, and it never entered my mind that someone should be responsible for MY debts.

Thank you for your service.

Footwedge;946493 wrote:Your take on the cause and effects of federally finded tuitions costs and the unbelivable bubble that it has created absolutely shocks me. Why? Because it is the first time you've ever gotten one right. Your analysis is well thought out, and absolutely spot on.

No, I'm almost always right. You just don't know enough economics to think critically for yourself, so if you can't find it on some leftwig blog or explicitly addressed by Adam Smith in "Wealth of Nations", you assume anything disagreeable to be wrong, when you're really just ignorant. A more accurate statement (not that you've ever shown any inclination for such) would be you finally understand something about economics for once.

fish82;946333 wrote:Mr. Blogger seems to have trouble differentiating between a "growing chorus" and well...two.

Love your "news" sources though...and FWIW, Cain is spot on.

I said "for starters"...and then I answered Otrap's concern. I listed 2...there are more. There are plenty more. As for playing the "blogger card"...that's getting a little old, don't you think? There were listed quotes...verbatim"...coming out of the pieholes of these Republican politicians. One does not need to source a "blog". I'm pretty sure that these quotes can be found by googling Reuters or Yahoo. So give it a rest.

And finally, 35% of Republicans believe that there is way too big of a disparity between the 1% and the 99%. A full 66.7% of all Americans agree with the same. Doing the math here, that means that only 1/3 of Americans think the wealth gap is healthy for our society.

Must be all those damn RINO's, eh Fish?

gut;946520 wrote:No, I'm almost always right. You just don't know anything that isn't agreed with on left-wig blogs or discussed explicitly in Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations". A more accurate statement (not that you've ever shown any inclination for such) would be you finally understand something about economics for once.

LOL. I don't read left winged blogs...never have...don't need to. But again...congrats...you figured one out correctly for a change. Maybe you're starting to actually comprehend my words of wisdom.

Footwedge;946525 wrote:LOL. I don't read left winged blogs...never have...don't need to. But again...congrats...you figured one out correctly for a change. Maybe you're starting to actually comprehend my words of wisdom.

LMAO...No, maybe you're just finally starting to read and understand some books post-Adam Smith and actually starting to get a clue. But you'd have to have that opinion of yourself to be constantly made the mental midget on this forum and keep coming back for more.

majorspark;946362 wrote:Cain has most of these people pegged with that statement. They are not your Ron Paul type crowd. There are a few common issues but they are miles away from what Ron Paul stands for. They want to use the power of the government to take from the "rich" and give them what they believe they have a "right" to. Not a right to pursue on their own without interference from the government but a "right" that must be provided by the government.

Ron's son Rand sees this for what it is as well. He categorized them as a "French mob". You know what he meant by that.

Cain is a buffoon for casting all these people in a certain way. Period. As I just posted, most of these people are not anti capitalist per say. To think otherwise shows a total disregard in doing your homework on what they actually represent. Why are you unwilling to use your google button and use your own intellect? Isn't that why God gave you one?

The prime purpose for their demonstration is that they are unhappy with the evergrowing gap between the wealthy and the non wealthy. It has been posted ad nauseum...the exponential increase of the top 1%, and the negative growth of those that fall in the 99% range. Is that healthy? Is that what you feel in your heart is fair?

Well, as I just posted above, 35% of Republicans, and 67% of all Americans don't think that it is fair. So where do you allign yourself with? The supermajority...or the teeny weeny minority?

gut;946529 wrote:LMAO...No, maybe you're just finally starting to read and understand some books post-Adam Smith and actually starting to get a clue. But you'd have to have that opinion of yourself to be constantly made the mental midget on this forum and keep coming back for more.

Business major...economics major. Anyime you want to discuss Smith, Ricardo, Locke, Von Mises, Sameulson, or countless others, bring it dude. Your overall preception of macro economics is extraordinarily underwhelming.

Now tell me again how Freddie and Fannie were the sole culprits of the housing bubble. People who espouse that claim have some really serious issues. I enjoy a good laugh before I go to bed.

Footwedge;946530 wrote:Cain is a buffoon for casting all these people in a certain way. Period. As I just posted, most of these people are not anti capitalist per say. To think otherwise shows a total disregard in doing your homework on what they actually represent. Why are you unwilling to use your google button and use your own intellect? Isn't that why God gave you one?

Cain has specified who he is calling out within this group. They are unfortunately infected by big government parasites who want something to be handed to them by the government to make it "fair". I thought the bailouts and handouts to corporate entities was bullshit. It ends there. I do not want them to butter my bread too because the fat cats got theirs. I just never want the government to ever again repeat this folly. So I can't identify with these clowns.

Footwedge;946530 wrote:The prime purpose for their demonstration is that they are unhappy with the evergrowing gap between the wealthy and the non wealthy. It has been posted ad nauseum...the exponential increase of the top 1%, and the negative growth of those that fall in the 99% range. Is that healthy? Is that what you feel in your heart is fair?

Their prime purpose is for the government to make the evil rich pay. Recent history is quite clear where this leads. The government should not determine what constitutes fair wealth distribution. Officiate the free market. Put measures in place to limit the possibility that a corporate entity becomes so vital to the economy that its financial malfeasance would risk the collapse of the economy.

Footwedge;946530 wrote:Well, as I just posted above, 35% of Republicans, and 67% of all Americans don't think that it is fair. So where do you allign yourself with? The supermajority...or the teeny weeny minority?

I don't think its fair that we give cell phones to our poor and some poor kid in Somalia gets a teaspoon of fly infested groul to get through the day. At least Americans have opportunities. In America a man born Amish with an 8th grade education can make millions and never accumulate one red cent in student loans.

Americans have found themselves divided into 1/3's many times. Prior to the revolution you had your radical 1/3 who wanted to revolt, you had your 1/3 that did not give a shit, and your 1/3 that wanted to remain loyal to the King. That leaves 2/3 not in favor of revolution. I am glad the teeny weeny minority prevailed.

These clowns want something from others, their children and their grandchildren. I paid my student loan. I pay my mortgage. Lets really be fair and write every adult American a check for $100,000 and be done with it.

majorspark;946545 wrote:These clowns want something from others, their children and their grandchildren. I paid my student loan. I pay my mortgage. Lets really be fair and write every adult American a check for $100,000 and be done with it.

What 2/3 want is a fairer compensation for the work they did. Not the unfair compensation that we have today. Nobody wants something for nothing. They want people to be paid, and the spoils divied up the way it was before the 1980's hit. You know, a period where one could work hard, and then stay above poverty. Not so today. That is an erroneous talking point from scoundrellous pigs like the fatman on the AM dial.

I Wear Pants;946502 wrote:You are blind.

So I guess there won't be any links forthcoming then?