Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Oct 11, 2011 10:28am
Yes, you are right. The solution is for the government to enforce the law. If you commit fraud you go to prison. The way you get government to enforce the law is to keep Wall Street from buying politicians. The way you do that without violating our rights is to stop the government from being able to give out subsidies and tax breaks and handouts to anyone.Mooney44Cards;929951 wrote:This is my opinion exactly. But just because a law isn't enforced doesn't mean its ok for you to break that law. Wall Street is the main culprit as they have not only broken the law over and over, they have basically paid politicians to not give a fuck.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Oct 11, 2011 10:34am
No one is going to suggest that's photoshopped? I'm sure a few of those "poor", out-of-work college kids are quite proficient on their Mac's (indirectly provided by the gubmit, of course).Glory Days;929906 wrote:couldnt be sure, but believer seems to know. it does appear he is wearing specialist rank without any unit crest on his beret(i thought the beret was discontinued recently?). so either he is straight out of basic as a specialist(although it looks like he has too many ribbons for that) and headed to the 2ID or is a soup sandwich. i would take the bet he is a soup sandwich.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Oct 11, 2011 10:37am
Yeah, I see what you tried to do there, and it doesn't reflect reality. A lot of the Tea Party coverage I saw WAS of the "pry my gun from my cold, dead hands" and the idiots, and anything else they could find to make the "mob" look like racist rednecks.Mooney44Cards;929952 wrote:You know the media is dying to make this a positive story, yet nearly all the pictures I see are either old people dreaming of an America that doesn't exist or gun-toting rednecks, likely influenced by their conservative talking heads. A good number also seem to be what I would characterize as "professional" protestors, you know, people who need something to bitch about to give their life meaning.
See what I did there?
bigdaddy2003
Posts: 7,384
Oct 11, 2011 10:54am
This. The media/politicians/celebrities have had to fabricate stories just to try and make them look bad.gut;929973 wrote:Yeah, I see what you tried to do there, and it doesn't reflect reality. A lot of the Tea Party coverage I saw WAS of the "pry my gun from my cold, dead hands" and the idiots, and anything else they could find to make the "mob" look like racist rednecks.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Oct 11, 2011 11:02am
100% incorrect. Arrests for white-collar crime occur all the time, some being profoundly high profile as well. Get in the game!Mooney44Cards;929884 wrote: A lot of fraud was committed on Wall Street, no one was arrested.
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Oct 11, 2011 11:04am
The things Tea Party (I'm assuming that's who you're talking about here) protesters want are less government, less spending and a return to the core principles laid out by the Constitution. You are conveniently forgetting WHY the people are gathered -- and that's a huge difference.Mooney44Cards;929952 wrote:You know the media is dying to make this a positive story, yet nearly all the pictures I see are either old people dreaming of an America that doesn't exist or gun-toting rednecks, likely influenced by their conservative talking heads. A good number also seem to be what I would characterize as "professional" protestors, you know, people who need something to bitch about to give their life meaning.
See what I did there?
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Oct 11, 2011 11:06am
Anytime this is talked about the right says it will kill business and the economy and is class warfare/tax hikes/etc.majorspark;929929 wrote:Exactly. Get rid of all the subsidies and tax credits to corporations. There is reason why millions are pouring into the parasite economy.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Oct 11, 2011 11:08am
Another attack on intellectuals I see. Wonderful. Those damned college professors, ruining the country.gut;929942 wrote:You know the media is dying to make this a positive story, yet nearly all the pictures I see are either hippies or naive college students, likely influenced by their hippie professors. A good number also seem to be what I would characterize as "professional" protestors, you know, people who need something to bitch about to give their life meaning.
I haven't seen anything in the media that was trying to make it a positive story. In fact I'd say they're going out of their way to make it a negative one.
OneBuckeye
Posts: 5,888
Oct 11, 2011 11:13am
http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/07/anti-semitism-at-occupy-wall-street/
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Mooney44Cards
Posts: 2,754
Oct 11, 2011 11:13am
This is an anecdotal meaningless statement. No one from Wall Street who committed the fraud that directly led to housing collapse has been arrested. If you can name even one person who was directly involved with the fraud involving credit default swaps and CDOs then you can begin to have an argument.QuakerOats;930014 wrote:100% incorrect. Arrests for white-collar crime occur all the time, some being profoundly high profile as well. Get in the game!
Simply saying "well people get arrested for fraud all the time" doesn't mean THESE people have been arrested.
"Well murderers get caught all the time so that means we don't have to go after these people that just committed genocide!" :laugh:
OneBuckeye
Posts: 5,888
Oct 11, 2011 11:16am
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Oct 11, 2011 11:27am
Oh, then you mean the CEO's of Fannie and Freddie who cooked the books in order to earn egregious personal bonuses. Oh but wait, you can't arrest them --- they're big democrats.Mooney44Cards;930033 wrote:This is an anecdotal meaningless statement. No one from Wall Street who committed the fraud that directly led to housing collapse has been arrested. If you can name even one person who was directly involved with the fraud involving credit default swaps and CDOs then you can begin to have an argument.
Simply saying "well people get arrested for fraud all the time" doesn't mean THESE people have been arrested.
"Well murderers get caught all the time so that means we don't have to go after these people that just committed genocide!" :laugh:
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Oct 11, 2011 11:27am
Do I really need to start posting videos of the crazies at various Conservative rallies and protests?
Any gathering like this is certainly going to attract the wackos, that has nothing to do with the merit of the protest/rally as a whole though.
Any gathering like this is certainly going to attract the wackos, that has nothing to do with the merit of the protest/rally as a whole though.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Oct 11, 2011 11:28am
These nutballs are merely a reflection of their leader --- a community activist/agitator.
Change we can believe in ........
Change we can believe in ........
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Oct 11, 2011 11:28am
I think you'd find that if they actually cooked the books everyone would want them arrested and charged.QuakerOats;930054 wrote:Oh, then you mean the CEO's of Fannie and Freddie who cooked the books in order to earn egregious personal bonuses. Oh but wait, you can't arrest them --- they're big democrats.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Oct 11, 2011 11:29am
You realize Obama isn't in charge and didn't start the protests right and that these people oppose not just Conservative ideas and policies but things Obama has done as well?QuakerOats;930056 wrote:These nutballs are merely a reflection of their leader --- a community activist/agitator.
Change we can believe in ........
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Oct 11, 2011 11:29am
I Wear Pants;930055 wrote:Do I really need to start posting videos of the crazies at various Conservative rallies and protests? QUOTE]
You mean all those nutcases that believe in fiscal discipline and the U.S. constitution?
Mooney44Cards
Posts: 2,754
Oct 11, 2011 11:36am
No no. Arrest them.QuakerOats;930054 wrote:Oh, then you mean the CEO's of Fannie and Freddie who cooked the books in order to earn egregious personal bonuses. Oh but wait, you can't arrest them --- they're big democrats.
See you keep shoving democratic propaganda words in my mouth despite the fact that I keep saying that they're all crooked and need to be held accountable. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the tip of the iceberg. Goldman Sachs, AIG, Standard & Poors, Moody's, Countrywide, Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch, need I go on? They are all guilty.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Oct 11, 2011 11:37am
QuakerOats;930060 wrote:No, those people wouldn't be the crazies would they? I'm talking about the people who can't articulate why they're there, spew Republican talking points without understanding, etc, etc. If those people don't make any Tea Party rally a crazy fest why do the crazies at the OWS thing make everyone else crazy by association?I Wear Pants;930055 wrote:Do I really need to start posting videos of the crazies at various Conservative rallies and protests? QUOTE]
You mean all those nutcases that believe in fiscal discipline and the U.S. constitution?
Can't have it both ways.
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Oct 11, 2011 11:39am
There are big government republicans. That said I can understand how it can hurt business short term. Business plans around those subsidies, tax breaks etc.. Sudenly removing them would kill some businesses. I would argue to go ahead let let those businesses die. If they are so finacially unstable that they depend on the government to exist they should go away and be replaced with strong self sustaining businesses.I Wear Pants;930020 wrote:Anytime this is talked about the right says it will kill business and the economy and is class warfare/tax hikes/etc.
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Oct 11, 2011 11:44am
Knowing corruption and fraud are human flaws. It will be found at any level governance or institutions that humans are a part of. That said you list all these companies. Who in them has committed fraud? What evidence do you have? Or are you just regurgitating ant-corporation propoganda.Mooney44Cards;930078 wrote:No no. Arrest them.
See you keep shoving democratic propaganda words in my mouth despite the fact that I keep saying that they're all crooked and need to be held accountable. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the tip of the iceberg. Goldman Sachs, AIG, Standard & Poors, Moody's, Countrywide, Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch, need I go on? They are all guilty.
Mooney44Cards
Posts: 2,754
Oct 11, 2011 11:47am
Washington is not the disease, it is the symptom.
If we eliminate the cause (Wall Street) somehow, perhaps through more oversight, transparency, regulation while at the same time eliminating or severely crippling the massive amount of influence Wall Street has on Washington we can begin to solve the problem. Just because you and I can't agree on how to solve the problem doesn't mean that we ignore the problem, but many in this thread seem to want to deflect the attention elsewhere, and that comes off as defending Wall Street which is pretty much an indefensible position.
If we eliminate the cause (Wall Street) somehow, perhaps through more oversight, transparency, regulation while at the same time eliminating or severely crippling the massive amount of influence Wall Street has on Washington we can begin to solve the problem. Just because you and I can't agree on how to solve the problem doesn't mean that we ignore the problem, but many in this thread seem to want to deflect the attention elsewhere, and that comes off as defending Wall Street which is pretty much an indefensible position.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Oct 11, 2011 11:50am
We can agree there.majorspark;930082 wrote:There are big government republicans. That said I can understand how it can hurt business short term. Business plans around those subsidies, tax breaks etc.. Sudenly removing them would kill some businesses. I would argue to go ahead let let those businesses die. If they are so finacially unstable that they depend on the government to exist they should go away and be replaced with strong self sustaining businesses.
dwccrew
Posts: 7,817
Oct 11, 2011 11:50am
The ignorance in that video is astounding. Do away with currency? Yeah, ok. Dumbass. Let's just change how world economies have been ran since the beginning of time.OneBuckeye;930037 wrote:[video=youtube;SaZF4FJ2eUA][/video]
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Mooney44Cards
Posts: 2,754
Oct 11, 2011 11:51am
WTF is this? Are you denying the fraud happened?!majorspark;930088 wrote:Knowing corruption and fraud are human flaws. It will be found at any level governance or institutions that humans are a part of. That said you list all these companies. Who in them has committed fraud? What evidence do you have? Or are you just regurgitating ant-corporation propoganda.